Post by Cuaresma1971 on Mar 24, 2009 22:12:47 GMT -4
Well,I'm finally back on this board(after a two year absense).
This message is in regards of the wounds of Christ inflicted on devout Christians,as many of you will know,this phenomenon is called stigmata. I would like to see some replies,opinons about this. So here it goes:
Stigmata(Greek) n. "to mark"
Through out centuries, many devoted Christians have been inflicted with noticable wounds marked on parts of the human body. Mainly, on the palms where blood pours out from this area leaving no infection as serious cuts do. There is no rational explanation for these transparent wouinds to appear for the victims of a phenomena called the stigmata were not self-inflcted. It is not Christian to self-mutilate one's body since in the bible does the scriptures forbade any follower of Christ do impose harm upon themselves.
When the historical Jesus the Christ was hung on a cross, iron spikes were placed on the wrists and driven in with a hammer leaving a horrific gash into both wrists without damaging the radial bone yet only leaving a shooting pain in the nervous system. Iron spikes are equivolent to railroad nails. The size of each spike was long enough to penetrate both the wrists,feet and the cross itself. The heads on these spikes was diamond head. Notice I did not say the palms; scientists have proven that if the spikes were hammered into the hands of a crucified vicitm, this method would not support the weight of a human body thus the palms would easily rip out of the spikes and thereof the crucifixion would not be complete, only a half hung body.
The malevolent torture of crucifixion was signficantly as a warning in ancient Rome as a punishment to all those would actually dare to challenge the Roman authority. Even a thief would face the consequences for his actions on a cross. It would actually take days for the condemned prisoner to die; slowly he would suffocate as a result of slow asphyxiation due to pulmonary edema- excessive fluid building in the lungs resulting in a cardiac arrest. The spikes driven into both the wrists and the feets was to keep the prisoner alive in a prolonged torture until his last breath. As a prelude to the crucifixion, the condemned was given a trial by the Roman prefector. Usually in all cases, the people was the ultimate jury in handing down a 'guilty verdict' shouting for death. Then this prisoner was tied to a stone pillar height of at least no more than three feet. A jailer custodian was handed over a order written down by the judge-the Roman prefector, or governer, which the content states the condemned would be adminstered fourty lashes with a flagrum, no more, no less.
A flagrum was a whip designed to severely beat a prisoner for his crimes. The stinging effect of being whipped was called 'talis',a scorpion bite(hence 'flagrum' is derived from the latin word 'scorpio'),due to the hot burning pain inflicted aross the body, leaving a deep hot sensation of being bit by a scorpion. The end pieces of the flagerum was inserted fine pieces of leather. At the ends of the tongs was embedded pieces of animal teeth and or bone. When the particles of bone was weighed down across the naked back of the condemned, it was to ensure a bruise on skin, then as more counts the whipping continued, the skin would break and chunks of human flesh was torn out of the body. Muscles and human bone was exposed leaving open wounds for infection.
At times the whipping would stop by the order of a physician,looking out as a observer just in case he felt the prisoner might of died from traumatic shock to the body as a result from a whipping. If the physician felt the prisioner was still capable of enduring to keep alive, the more beatings he took. When the fourteth strike of the whip was done, the torturers delievering the beatings would stop or else if the scene got out of hand, this person would of been been flogged himself for disobeying orders. The torturers done with their duty was often coveredwith smeared blood and parts of torn flesh for reasons obvious.
The prisoner now half way to his death , was given a cross beam to carry across his back to the location where he was to die in the midst of a public viewing. As I stated before , the excecution was a spectacle as a warning to all who would challenge Rome, and not just a wild circus, even though Romans did lust for death. As far as the slave rebellion of Spartacus, was crucifixion a point to get across since Rome was the most powerful civilization 2,000 years ago.
Historically, the Nazerene came to be known as Jesus the Christ, was put to death in this method of crucifixion. Christ did not commit any true cime against the Roman establishment. He was simply punished by the Judeans for committing all sorts of heresy against the Jewish priests. In a short Christian context, Jesus was a victim of everyone elses sins and had a purpose to die to bring eternal salvation for those follow him through his suffering let alone his words.
After being stripped with a flagrum, the Christ was mocked for proclaiming himself as 'King of the Jews'. A crown of rose thorns was placed upon his brow in a tribute to a king. This was a Roman soilder's way of showing a dark humorous joke on a majestic. Thorns ripped through his scalp and busted into hollow areas in his skull. On his own cross, in post-mortem, a spear by a Roman soilder was thrusted in his side body. Christ was put to death on the eve of the Jewish sabbath, and under Jewish law, no condemned, was left hung to die throughout the sabbath. Since Roman occupied ancient Palestine, Jews were granted respect to hold on to their fath, by Rome's benevolence of religious tolerance. Fearing the Christ did not die as the sabbath came to a near, a soilder of Roman standing guard was ordered to make sure the Nazerene was indeed dead. This soilder pierced with his spear into the chest or Jesus to make sure if he was dead. The thrust wound exposed a mixture of water and blood. But the dead do not bleed. Science has explained the water and blood coming from the body of Christ was from pulmonary edema. His lungs was filled with excessive fluids, a primary cause of death.
In the thirteenth century, the first person,in record, to recieve the wounds of Jesus the Christ, was a friar known as St. Francis of Assisi. At first, Francis during his early youth lived as a care-free enthusiast until he became a prisoner of war after joining the military in 1201. A mild fever appeared to have motivated the knight of Assis to have thoughts wonders pertaining to god. When returning home in Assisi, Francis rejoined his former ways of being care-free. That is until a spirit taken over his life that served as changing Francis's deamenor to a lifehood of a clergyman, which he eventually founded the Franciscian Order. On the veneration of the holy cross,September 14 in the year 1224, Francis first began to be inflicted with the stigmata, suffering from intense pain. He had felt as though this torment was a result of harshly treating his body. Maninfestation. At the end his eyesight failed him, rendering him into total blindness. Then he finally soared into the afterlife on October 3,1226.
While no other historical accounts place any stigmatic long before Francis of Assisi, a interpretation from the Christian bible suggests the apostle Paul was branded with wounds that may of been an actual stigmata. Galatians 6:17 " ... I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Yet, taken account that Paul was another Roman prisoner, he was surely branded soley as an slave, just as cattle is branded for the purpose to identify its owner.
A total of sixty-two stigmatics canonized by the Church; saints or blessed, and of both sexes. The list includes:
St. Francis of Assisi
St. Lutgarde
St. Margaret of Corlona
St. Clare of Montefalco
St. Angela of Foligno
St. Catherine of Siena
St. Lidwine
St. Fraces of Rome
St. Colette
St. Rita of Cassia
St. Osanna of Mantua
St. Catherine of Genoa
St. Baptista Varani
St. Lucy of Narni
St. Catherine of Racconigi
St. John of God
St. Catherine of Ricci
St. Mary Magdalene de' Pazzi
Bl. Marie de I'incarnation
Bl. Mary Anne of Jesus
Bl. Carlo of Sezze
Blessed Margaret Mary Alacoque
St. Veronica Giuliani
St. Mary Frances of the Five Wounds
Anne Catherine Emmerich
Elizabeth Canori Mora
Anna Marie Taigi
Maria Dominica Lazzari
Marie de Moeri
Louise Lateau
St. Piio of Pietrelcina
Anne Catherine Emmerich,the Augustian nun,born out of a family striken with poverty and religious devotions. She was at frail health,and in the year 1813,Emmerich was bedridden, having visions of souls in a realm called purgatory, this is what the Catholic church according to its doctorine is a place or condition of temporal punishment that is supposedly for the departed are not completely free from faulty human errors that was done during their earthly life. During her illness, Catherine started to be inflicted with stigmata, including the crown of thorns marking her forehead. Her records of visions and meditations of the suffering of her divine master Jesus the Christ was published by German poet Klemens Maria Brentano, who spend quantity of time with the ill nun during her last days. This publication was titled "The Dolorous Passion Of Our Lord Jesus Christ: Mediations of Anne Catherine Emmerich. It became a source in Mel Gibson's screenplay of his 2004 film ' The Passion of the Christ'.
St. Pio of Pietrecina,Italy, known as simply Padre Piio, was recognized as the first catholic priest to bore the wounds of Christ for a total of fifty years. By coincidence, that St. Francis of Assisi, recieved his first stigamata on September 17th, that Padre Pio,too, first had his invisiible markings on his body. It was not until 1918,three years later,visible stigmata of both hands and feet. On August 15 of that same year, Pio, the side wound became onset. Just over a month after,on September 20, signs of visible wounds appeared on his hands and feet, and along with that a vision of the Christ wounded who said nothing to the Pietrelcina priest and then dissapeared. He finally took his last breath of life on the morning of September 23,1968, while making his last confession and renewed his Franciscan vows. In the 2:30 A.M hour his last words was "I see two mothers...Maria!" meaning Mary,mother of Christ; the other mother was his biological mother. At his death, according to accounts from those who was with Pio to his final moments state his stigmata completely vanished without leaving a scar.
And so what is a true rational explanation for such a cause for stigmata. There is no satisfactory answer to the question why. Some in both the science and Church have stood ground by their own opinon, the wounds could be produced by a great love for both god and the Christ, in a hypothetical sense, emotions acted by stigmatics,would duplicate the wounds of Christ by acts of devotion. In short, deeply relgious catholics accept an act of suffering, is a worthy cause to suffer for the sins of mankind. It's all about faith in accordance to devouts for their divine supreme.
Wounds of stigmata are not curable,and certainly bacterial infection is not present. Like natural wounds,those of stigmatics do not produce a fetid ordor. Only in the exception of the case of St. Rita of Cassia. Her wound of thorns upon her brow manufactured an "unbearable ordor." Stigmatics often describe of an perfume ordor after being inflicted by a spiritual attack, or being marked(stigmata).
As these cases of stigmata was and hopes of future possible stigmatics by the Vatican in Rome,Italy, any person reported in the present world,is observed night and day,so the wounds are being strictly observed to determine if anyone to touch it to rule out a fradulent case or left untouched, a case for an authentic stigmata.
(c) Cuaresma1971
This message is in regards of the wounds of Christ inflicted on devout Christians,as many of you will know,this phenomenon is called stigmata. I would like to see some replies,opinons about this. So here it goes:
Stigmata(Greek) n. "to mark"
Through out centuries, many devoted Christians have been inflicted with noticable wounds marked on parts of the human body. Mainly, on the palms where blood pours out from this area leaving no infection as serious cuts do. There is no rational explanation for these transparent wouinds to appear for the victims of a phenomena called the stigmata were not self-inflcted. It is not Christian to self-mutilate one's body since in the bible does the scriptures forbade any follower of Christ do impose harm upon themselves.
When the historical Jesus the Christ was hung on a cross, iron spikes were placed on the wrists and driven in with a hammer leaving a horrific gash into both wrists without damaging the radial bone yet only leaving a shooting pain in the nervous system. Iron spikes are equivolent to railroad nails. The size of each spike was long enough to penetrate both the wrists,feet and the cross itself. The heads on these spikes was diamond head. Notice I did not say the palms; scientists have proven that if the spikes were hammered into the hands of a crucified vicitm, this method would not support the weight of a human body thus the palms would easily rip out of the spikes and thereof the crucifixion would not be complete, only a half hung body.
The malevolent torture of crucifixion was signficantly as a warning in ancient Rome as a punishment to all those would actually dare to challenge the Roman authority. Even a thief would face the consequences for his actions on a cross. It would actually take days for the condemned prisoner to die; slowly he would suffocate as a result of slow asphyxiation due to pulmonary edema- excessive fluid building in the lungs resulting in a cardiac arrest. The spikes driven into both the wrists and the feets was to keep the prisoner alive in a prolonged torture until his last breath. As a prelude to the crucifixion, the condemned was given a trial by the Roman prefector. Usually in all cases, the people was the ultimate jury in handing down a 'guilty verdict' shouting for death. Then this prisoner was tied to a stone pillar height of at least no more than three feet. A jailer custodian was handed over a order written down by the judge-the Roman prefector, or governer, which the content states the condemned would be adminstered fourty lashes with a flagrum, no more, no less.
A flagrum was a whip designed to severely beat a prisoner for his crimes. The stinging effect of being whipped was called 'talis',a scorpion bite(hence 'flagrum' is derived from the latin word 'scorpio'),due to the hot burning pain inflicted aross the body, leaving a deep hot sensation of being bit by a scorpion. The end pieces of the flagerum was inserted fine pieces of leather. At the ends of the tongs was embedded pieces of animal teeth and or bone. When the particles of bone was weighed down across the naked back of the condemned, it was to ensure a bruise on skin, then as more counts the whipping continued, the skin would break and chunks of human flesh was torn out of the body. Muscles and human bone was exposed leaving open wounds for infection.
At times the whipping would stop by the order of a physician,looking out as a observer just in case he felt the prisoner might of died from traumatic shock to the body as a result from a whipping. If the physician felt the prisioner was still capable of enduring to keep alive, the more beatings he took. When the fourteth strike of the whip was done, the torturers delievering the beatings would stop or else if the scene got out of hand, this person would of been been flogged himself for disobeying orders. The torturers done with their duty was often coveredwith smeared blood and parts of torn flesh for reasons obvious.
The prisoner now half way to his death , was given a cross beam to carry across his back to the location where he was to die in the midst of a public viewing. As I stated before , the excecution was a spectacle as a warning to all who would challenge Rome, and not just a wild circus, even though Romans did lust for death. As far as the slave rebellion of Spartacus, was crucifixion a point to get across since Rome was the most powerful civilization 2,000 years ago.
Historically, the Nazerene came to be known as Jesus the Christ, was put to death in this method of crucifixion. Christ did not commit any true cime against the Roman establishment. He was simply punished by the Judeans for committing all sorts of heresy against the Jewish priests. In a short Christian context, Jesus was a victim of everyone elses sins and had a purpose to die to bring eternal salvation for those follow him through his suffering let alone his words.
After being stripped with a flagrum, the Christ was mocked for proclaiming himself as 'King of the Jews'. A crown of rose thorns was placed upon his brow in a tribute to a king. This was a Roman soilder's way of showing a dark humorous joke on a majestic. Thorns ripped through his scalp and busted into hollow areas in his skull. On his own cross, in post-mortem, a spear by a Roman soilder was thrusted in his side body. Christ was put to death on the eve of the Jewish sabbath, and under Jewish law, no condemned, was left hung to die throughout the sabbath. Since Roman occupied ancient Palestine, Jews were granted respect to hold on to their fath, by Rome's benevolence of religious tolerance. Fearing the Christ did not die as the sabbath came to a near, a soilder of Roman standing guard was ordered to make sure the Nazerene was indeed dead. This soilder pierced with his spear into the chest or Jesus to make sure if he was dead. The thrust wound exposed a mixture of water and blood. But the dead do not bleed. Science has explained the water and blood coming from the body of Christ was from pulmonary edema. His lungs was filled with excessive fluids, a primary cause of death.
In the thirteenth century, the first person,in record, to recieve the wounds of Jesus the Christ, was a friar known as St. Francis of Assisi. At first, Francis during his early youth lived as a care-free enthusiast until he became a prisoner of war after joining the military in 1201. A mild fever appeared to have motivated the knight of Assis to have thoughts wonders pertaining to god. When returning home in Assisi, Francis rejoined his former ways of being care-free. That is until a spirit taken over his life that served as changing Francis's deamenor to a lifehood of a clergyman, which he eventually founded the Franciscian Order. On the veneration of the holy cross,September 14 in the year 1224, Francis first began to be inflicted with the stigmata, suffering from intense pain. He had felt as though this torment was a result of harshly treating his body. Maninfestation. At the end his eyesight failed him, rendering him into total blindness. Then he finally soared into the afterlife on October 3,1226.
While no other historical accounts place any stigmatic long before Francis of Assisi, a interpretation from the Christian bible suggests the apostle Paul was branded with wounds that may of been an actual stigmata. Galatians 6:17 " ... I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Yet, taken account that Paul was another Roman prisoner, he was surely branded soley as an slave, just as cattle is branded for the purpose to identify its owner.
A total of sixty-two stigmatics canonized by the Church; saints or blessed, and of both sexes. The list includes:
St. Francis of Assisi
St. Lutgarde
St. Margaret of Corlona
St. Clare of Montefalco
St. Angela of Foligno
St. Catherine of Siena
St. Lidwine
St. Fraces of Rome
St. Colette
St. Rita of Cassia
St. Osanna of Mantua
St. Catherine of Genoa
St. Baptista Varani
St. Lucy of Narni
St. Catherine of Racconigi
St. John of God
St. Catherine of Ricci
St. Mary Magdalene de' Pazzi
Bl. Marie de I'incarnation
Bl. Mary Anne of Jesus
Bl. Carlo of Sezze
Blessed Margaret Mary Alacoque
St. Veronica Giuliani
St. Mary Frances of the Five Wounds
Anne Catherine Emmerich
Elizabeth Canori Mora
Anna Marie Taigi
Maria Dominica Lazzari
Marie de Moeri
Louise Lateau
St. Piio of Pietrelcina
Anne Catherine Emmerich,the Augustian nun,born out of a family striken with poverty and religious devotions. She was at frail health,and in the year 1813,Emmerich was bedridden, having visions of souls in a realm called purgatory, this is what the Catholic church according to its doctorine is a place or condition of temporal punishment that is supposedly for the departed are not completely free from faulty human errors that was done during their earthly life. During her illness, Catherine started to be inflicted with stigmata, including the crown of thorns marking her forehead. Her records of visions and meditations of the suffering of her divine master Jesus the Christ was published by German poet Klemens Maria Brentano, who spend quantity of time with the ill nun during her last days. This publication was titled "The Dolorous Passion Of Our Lord Jesus Christ: Mediations of Anne Catherine Emmerich. It became a source in Mel Gibson's screenplay of his 2004 film ' The Passion of the Christ'.
St. Pio of Pietrecina,Italy, known as simply Padre Piio, was recognized as the first catholic priest to bore the wounds of Christ for a total of fifty years. By coincidence, that St. Francis of Assisi, recieved his first stigamata on September 17th, that Padre Pio,too, first had his invisiible markings on his body. It was not until 1918,three years later,visible stigmata of both hands and feet. On August 15 of that same year, Pio, the side wound became onset. Just over a month after,on September 20, signs of visible wounds appeared on his hands and feet, and along with that a vision of the Christ wounded who said nothing to the Pietrelcina priest and then dissapeared. He finally took his last breath of life on the morning of September 23,1968, while making his last confession and renewed his Franciscan vows. In the 2:30 A.M hour his last words was "I see two mothers...Maria!" meaning Mary,mother of Christ; the other mother was his biological mother. At his death, according to accounts from those who was with Pio to his final moments state his stigmata completely vanished without leaving a scar.
And so what is a true rational explanation for such a cause for stigmata. There is no satisfactory answer to the question why. Some in both the science and Church have stood ground by their own opinon, the wounds could be produced by a great love for both god and the Christ, in a hypothetical sense, emotions acted by stigmatics,would duplicate the wounds of Christ by acts of devotion. In short, deeply relgious catholics accept an act of suffering, is a worthy cause to suffer for the sins of mankind. It's all about faith in accordance to devouts for their divine supreme.
Wounds of stigmata are not curable,and certainly bacterial infection is not present. Like natural wounds,those of stigmatics do not produce a fetid ordor. Only in the exception of the case of St. Rita of Cassia. Her wound of thorns upon her brow manufactured an "unbearable ordor." Stigmatics often describe of an perfume ordor after being inflicted by a spiritual attack, or being marked(stigmata).
As these cases of stigmata was and hopes of future possible stigmatics by the Vatican in Rome,Italy, any person reported in the present world,is observed night and day,so the wounds are being strictly observed to determine if anyone to touch it to rule out a fradulent case or left untouched, a case for an authentic stigmata.
(c) Cuaresma1971