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Post by king arthur on Dec 27, 2006 22:26:37 GMT -4
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Post by Gaia on Feb 5, 2007 2:02:42 GMT -4
Since this is in the old forum and I cannot comment about it there, I will do it here... It's funny to see how people have prejudice as to what wicca / magick is concerned. Wicca is a religion that is derived from magick, like the "Golden Dawn". Wiccans are not evil. Actually they are the most nature loving people there is. Wiccans are usually devoted ecologists, and care about their environment. Many of them are vegetarians. They believe in gods, but their gods are the symbols of nature, which actually is not that far from other religions if you think about it. You say that god is in everything right? In the air, in the fish, in the animals, in the trees etc. Same goes there, except that they give names to their gods, and don't assign one god as the mighty all. If you read a bit about the Wiccans you will see that their moto is to do good and not hurt others. Yes in the past some witches used to make animal sacrifices. But if you look at Christianity for example, most of the catholic priests during middle age and actually till not too long ago used force on others in order to convert them, killed people for their religion and used to care more about fame and money than about the well being of their believers. Isn't that evil as well? Animal sacrifices are not done in our time anymore (just like catholic priests don't go around killing people on behalf of their religion anymore), unless you are a witch practicing black magick (search about Crowley for that matter - he is known as the most evil man on earth and also a black magician). What is magick? Magick is using natural energies, energies that are all around us in order to make something happen. Just like you use natural energies in order to astral project or to move things (telekinesis), in magick same is done but using the energies of nature. When you think about it, a prayer is a sort of magick. It's sending and using ennergies trying to make something happen. Magick does work. Just read about the ancient Egyptian civilisation (Sapphire, you should know about this more than everybody). But it works only if you believe in it. It doesn't take one day to know how to practice magick. There's much studying to do. And no, I'm not a wiccan and not a witch either, eventhough the subject does interest me and I know people that practice magick and are great people. These were my 2 shekels about it.  |
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Post by Tankdown on Feb 5, 2007 2:23:48 GMT -4
Of cource thats all sound fun and good but there is always a dark side to everything. Or so that I see in my eyes. When I look at wiccan magick, I can't help but imagine some strong forms of manpulation. One the reasons why I think of this because when I see the words "believe" I think of the bible. And when I think of that I think of evil.
Not evil as in evil spirits but evil as in misunderstanding....The reason why I say evil is because one of the main difference between good and evil is turth and lies. And if you piece that togather...you would see that I mean blind faith. Which is why I think everyone must be open minded.
But then again most of the world's problem is that they tend to have a different defination of the world god, and magick..
But when I think of magic I think of it being a lie...
Sorry but its how I feel.
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Post by Gaia on Feb 5, 2007 2:32:51 GMT -4
Strong forms of manipulation of what? Of nature forces? Or people manipulation?
Nobody is forcing anybody to believe in magick. Since you don't believe in it and if you will try one day to perform some kind of magick, nothing will happen, because you lack of belief. Same like a prayer. If you don't believe in your prayer, nothing will happen. Same goes if you don't believe in your ability to astral project. If you don't believe you can do it, it will not happen.
There is not only one truth you know... You think you may have found the truth, but this is one of the many truths out there.
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Post by Tankdown on Feb 5, 2007 3:05:54 GMT -4
Truths? I never said I did know. What I mean is self manpulation that is normaly created due to some social influence and then build up by your self manpulation. The only thing that should be blamed is ourselfs and everything that we "think" we know as turths. I don't believe I said anything about believeing is wrong. What I was trying to say is that the navie and ignorance of man tends to come to certain terms that makes there beliefs to be a lie. When I said when I used the word evil as for the lie is because...well put it this way. The devil is trickly and he speaks with lies and manpulation. But if a lie don't have any power then it wouldn't cause any destrution now would it? Even a lie has some power....but not as absolut as the turth. Which is why the devil knows he will never win in the final end. What you said is certainly true about prayers....but how many people know what they want? What other people need? What truely needs to be done.. I believe in God, but as I know the devil would use lies to twist my thoughts. Pure evil is clever and never a fool..they use the old and new tesatments and all the other holy books to form a lie to destroy us. Believeing is indeed true to god...but you must be open...and you must pay attendsion to what could be used agasint you. Also I never said anything about someone forcing magic on others. If I did, well then I'm sorry for that misinformation. I am nothing speical and I don't believe I know any absolut turths. My own quote in a way demands people to question what I even say. Which is why I enjoy to answer your post so happily |
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Post by Astral Knight on Feb 5, 2007 13:45:05 GMT -4
dmoney once said about "telekinesis" -- You got to 'believe' to make it 'work.'
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Post by mossy on Feb 5, 2007 17:17:50 GMT -4
yeah,
thats what i believe also.
if you have the will will do to something and truly believe in it you can make it happen, it might not be easy but you can. ;D
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Post by Tankdown on Feb 5, 2007 22:53:15 GMT -4
I'm just defendive...I guess that is why I tend to have trouble with some of my powers. I think I believe in Astral projection and the parnomal. Its just that I don't feel right of calling it magic. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings...  |
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Post by king arthur on Feb 5, 2007 22:58:27 GMT -4
Since this is in the old forum and I cannot comment about it there, I will do it here... It's funny to see how people have prejudice as to what wicca / magick is concerned. Wicca is a religion that is derived from magick, like the "Golden Dawn". Wiccans are not evil. Actually they are the most nature loving people there is. Wiccans are usually devoted ecologists, and care about their environment. Many of them are vegetarians. They believe in gods, but their gods are the symbols of nature, which actually is not that far from other religions if you think about it. You say that god is in everything right? In the air, in the fish, in the animals, in the trees etc. Same goes there, except that they give names to their gods, and don't assign one god as the mighty all. If you read a bit about the Wiccans you will see that their moto is to do good and not hurt others. Yes in the past some witches used to make animal sacrifices. But if you look at Christianity for example, most of the catholic priests during middle age and actually till not too long ago used force on others in order to convert them, killed people for their religion and used to care more about fame and money than about the well being of their believers. Isn't that evil as well? Animal sacrifices are not done in our time anymore (just like catholic priests don't go around killing people on behalf of their religion anymore), unless you are a witch practicing black magick (search about Crowley for that matter - he is known as the most evil man on earth and also a black magician). What is magick? Magick is using natural energies, energies that are all around us in order to make something happen. Just like you use natural energies in order to astral project or to move things (telekinesis), in magick same is done but using the energies of nature. When you think about it, a prayer is a sort of magick. It's sending and using ennergies trying to make something happen. Magick does work. Just read about the ancient Egyptian civilisation (Sapphire, you should know about this more than everybody). But it works only if you believe in it. It doesn't take one day to know how to practice magick. There's much studying to do. And no, I'm not a wiccan and not a witch either, eventhough the subject does interest me and I know people that practice magick and are great people. These were my 2 shekels about it. I am not against Wiccan, people or astrals have the right to protect themselves, when they think is right. Using the natural elements is kind of cute. I tried some before, not always work though. ;D But the Wiccan people believe in one female god, and thought she is the God ... which is 'wrong' info. She is a goddess, but NOT the God, I want to clear this one. |
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Post by king arthur on Feb 5, 2007 23:02:09 GMT -4
Strong forms of manipulation of what? Of nature forces? Or people manipulation? Nobody is forcing anybody to believe in magick. Since you don't believe in it and if you will try one day to perform some kind of magick, nothing will happen, because you lack of belief. Same like a prayer. If you don't believe in your prayer, nothing will happen. Same goes if you don't believe in your ability to astral project. If you don't believe you can do it, it will not happen. There is not only one truth you know... You think you may have found the truth, but this is one of the many truths out there. Yes, you got to believe to make it work. I also believe in 'experiments,' because some works for others, but not necessary work for me, I always do try and errors and see what will happen.  |
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Post by skykomish on Apr 28, 2010 13:33:32 GMT -4
But the Wiccan people believe in one female god, and thought she is the God ... which is 'wrong' info. She is a goddess, but NOT the God, I want to clear this one. I am Wiccan (although I prefer to call myself Pagan), and we do not believe in ONE female goddess, we believe in a pair, a goddess and a god, and although there is great variation in the religion, we either believe in subdieties (female and male) or that the "subdieties" are aspects of the goddess & the god. |
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Post by gr8viku on Mar 24, 2013 12:56:11 GMT -4
I want to be a psychic reader(clairvoyant). Do you have any real product for me... any gimmick or magic for real hypnotic arts ?
Vikrant
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