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Post by Sapphire on Aug 26, 2007 18:21:16 GMT -4
I do not recommend using any sleep aid, it is better... as natural as possible. Because if you are alone on an island, you want to project, then you will not able to find any sleep aid, or if you are locked in a cell or jail, you want to break free from human body, you will not be able to find any help (dugs, CD, food, etc) either, so the natural the better.
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Post by Sapphire on Aug 26, 2007 18:24:36 GMT -4
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 6, 2008 4:25:42 GMT -4
Hello folks! This is my first time here in this forum, and here is my story if you care to read. I’ve bought many books on how to achieve out of body experience to no avail. I mean, whatever I did, whatever I tried, whatever book I read did not help at all. I got more and more frustrated and got angry. At some point, I was heartbroken for failing to achieve conscious OBE because I wanted so much more than anything. Whose books have I read, if you ask? Robert Monroe’s, Robert Bruce’s, Robert Peterson’s, William Buhlman’s, V. M. Beelzebub’s. I’ve read it all. Have I had any results? No! I’ve listened to BrainWave and HemiSync audio files every single night and fell asleep listening to them. Did any of them help? No! Some recommended that I should lie on my back for 20 minutes and relax and go into sleep paralysis. Within 20 minutes, they said that the body would send a very strong signal to your mind saying “I am uncomfortable. Change your position in bed”. The body is just testing if the mind is still awake, so ignore all urge to move, and you will eventually go into sleep paralysis. One time, I laid on my back for more than 2 hours. Still, I had no results. I mean, I can lay there without moving a hair for days until I get a bed burn. I still don’t get any results. Robert Monroe writes a 200 page book and gives only a few examples. I have a big problem with visualization. I just can’t seem to visualize anything. I am so frustrated by the lack of ability to visualize anything. For me, trying to visualize is like expecting a pig to fly. So, you got the picture. Then, I came across Robert Bruce’s book where visualization is not required. And I said to myself, “great!”, but ended up tensing and brushing my body parts every single day with no results. I mean, form tensing my butt cheeks, they still hurt, and I haven’t left my body yet. I mean, all the books I read had great “4 and a half star” reviews at Amazon.com, and I thought they would help me. so, I bought and read them all, but I am still frustrated. I am sure all the authors whose books I’ve read were genuine and wrote books to help people achieve OBE. I guess everybody is different, and what works for you may not work for me. maybe it is just that I could not find something that works for me yet. Do you think this book “Successful Astral Projection to the Space and Universe” by Sapphire with great reviews would work for me once and for all? Thanks and sorry for the long posting I remember a Krashlanmar of not-quite-so-long-ago that was very eager to learn and very much the same failure I am today. Gahahahaha . It's okay, you're not alone, but my advice is to try to concentrate on other aspects of your life. I was obsessed with APing and it didn't get me anywhere so don't do that. Get a job, a girlfriend, read more books, etc... This is called 'proper grounding' in the scope of any kind of ceremonial "High" magic. These things won't help you AP - if it even exists to begin with - but it will keep you your sanity.
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 6, 2008 4:28:53 GMT -4
There are simple ways to alter your brain chemistry to make it much easier to Astroproject. For example, take 3MG of Melatonin one hour before bed. Adults don't make as much melatonin as children do. That is why children have so many dreams. Adults; however, can develop the ability to astroproject. This requires age and lots of effort/experience. Smoke a crack pipe and you'll be seeing pixies and dragons!
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Post by king arthur on Jan 6, 2008 23:57:41 GMT -4
You have to 'believe' to make it happen. Or AP will not happen, any change of thoughts, it will stop the AP.
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 9, 2008 1:50:28 GMT -4
Haha. I guess that means I won't do it. I can't believe in something that simply doesn't exist in my universe.
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Post by kentucker4 on Jan 9, 2008 13:38:09 GMT -4
Haha. I guess that means I won't do it. I can't believe in something that simply doesn't exist in my universe. You have never gone out of your body before?
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 10, 2008 3:27:28 GMT -4
Well... I can't do something that's nonexistant, eh?
Allow me to clarify. I believed at some point. I don't anymore. I've got a dozen books on magic including one of Sapphire's that he sent me last year and none of them 'work.' Neither was Sapphire able to help me last time around.
And of course there's the internet, which didn't work either...
So basically the answer - my answer - to this thread would be "No, there is no hope."
So it's all a bunch of b.s. All evidence points to psychological reasons why people think they are exiting their bodies as opposed to some paranormal force or... plane, as it were.
I'm here for fun, though, so I'm going to play along from now on.
No, I haven't ever done this.
((Ironically or not, my life has gotten a thousand times better since I stopped believing in all of this. With every bit that I simply let go, I found the girl I'm going to marry, I got a life, started doing better in school, etc...))
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Post by king arthur on Jan 10, 2008 18:59:46 GMT -4
If you do not believe it, and will not give it a chance to happen, it will not happen.
With denying thoughts, astral projection definitely will not happen. For example: For those people do not want to exit their bodies, then it will not happen, because you are asking your own soul exit your physical body, it is quiet scaring.
And human are not designed to exit their human bodies, this is a very unique skill, and not all human are interested in. But it does wonders once you master this skill.
You conquer "death." Because you are able to exit your human body, and potentially never return to this Earth.
The very first time, I lucidly exited from my human body, I was like, "da*n, am I dead? I am in a spirit form, soul exist then God must exist in the universe."
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Post by king arthur on Jan 10, 2008 19:03:28 GMT -4
The very first time I exited I was entirely "transparent," I was clearly there, but could not see my hands nor body. Then I kept practicing then got "black and white astral body," then you have to read my book "Successful Astral Projection...." to get the rest ... how to make your astral body into colors.
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 11, 2008 17:23:17 GMT -4
If you do not believe it, and will not give it a chance to happen, it will not happen. With denying thoughts, astral projection definitely will not happen. For example: For those people do not want to exit their bodies, then it will not happen, because you are asking your own soul exit your physical body, it is quiet scaring. I know people who say they've done it and they had no idea what it was before then. And I know people who say they do it regularly and they're scared of it and don't want it to happen... My point is that all the evidence in the world points to my being right. There's no such thing. EDIT:: The evidence here being that there are lots of discrepancies between peoples' theories and the like.
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Post by king arthur on Jan 11, 2008 21:17:31 GMT -4
All right! You are hopeless in AP. Are you happy now?
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Post by krashlanmar on Jan 11, 2008 23:08:10 GMT -4
Yes. XD
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Post by silverhorse on Jan 12, 2008 10:39:18 GMT -4
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Post by equest on Jun 21, 2009 16:11:54 GMT -4
I do not recommend using any sleep aid, it is better... as natural as possible. Because if you are alone on an island, you want to project, then you will not able to find any sleep aid, or if you are locked in a cell or jail, you want to break free from human body, you will not be able to find any help (dugs, CD, food, etc) either, so the natural the better. Naturally, if I got your time machine, it would be easier to do AP rather than just on your books' methods alone, right?
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