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Post by King Solomon on Sept 28, 2007 10:45:38 GMT -4
Yesterday, I was able to read the free book on Theosophy from www.fullbooks.com/A-Textbook-of-Theosophy1.html I had stumbled on this doing web searches on "49 astral planes." This is very fascinating reading: -Written in 1912 -Based on the views of a large organization of several people Some of the concepts presented: -Hell does not exist -People carry karma with them through multiple reincarnations -Your real life is millions of years long with multiple instantiations of reincarnation -People spend their lives in a "physical" realm, but at night, when asleep, they are in the "astral" realm - This fits in well with the observations of this forum. -The "astral" realm is a state of consciousness based on desire and emotions. -Intelligent people can do a lot of things in astral. -People generally don't remember their dreams and projections from astral after they wake up. -The lower astral realms are unpleasant e.g., hell, the higher astral realms are pleasant e.g. heaven -When you die, you move to the "astral" realm for another 40 or so years. - After that, you shed your desires, emotions, and astral body and move to another realm of pure thought, called the "Mental" world. It is a pleasant place similar to "Heaven." You stay there for another 200-1500 years. -Once your time in the mental world is used up (you have no more thoughts remaining from life to ponder, you move to a "causal" realm. Here you sleep until you decide to be born again. -Then the cycle repeats. You are born again to continue your learning and development. Definitely worthwhile reading. I tend to believe these concepts are true. Sapphire, what do you think? Regards, KS
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Post by Sapphire on Sept 28, 2007 18:52:42 GMT -4
I will be back shortly to answer this.
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Post by king arthur on Sept 28, 2007 21:20:52 GMT -4
Yesterday, I was able to read the free book on Theosophy from www.fullbooks.com/A-Textbook-of-Theosophy1.html I had stumbled on this doing web searches on "49 astral planes." This is very fascinating reading: -Written in 1912 -Based on the views of a large organization of several people Some of the concepts presented: -Hell does not exist -People carry karma with them through multiple reincarnations -Your real life is millions of years long with multiple instantiations of reincarnation -People spend their lives in a "physical" realm, but at night, when asleep, they are in the "astral" realm - This fits in well with the observations of this forum. -The "astral" realm is a state of consciousness based on desire and emotions. -Intelligent people can do a lot of things in astral. -People generally don't remember their dreams and projections from astral after they wake up. -The lower astral realms are unpleasant e.g., hell, the higher astral realms are pleasant e.g. heaven -When you die, you move to the "astral" realm for another 40 or so years. - After that, you shed your desires, emotions, and astral body and move to another realm of pure thought, called the "Mental" world. It is a pleasant place similar to "Heaven." You stay there for another 200-1500 years. -Once your time in the mental world is used up (you have no more thoughts remaining from life to ponder, you move to a "causal" realm. Here you sleep until you decide to be born again. -Then the cycle repeats. You are born again to continue your learning and development. Definitely worthwhile reading. I tend to believe these concepts are true. Sapphire, what do you think? Regards, KS Very good article, 80% of accuracy which is not bad. But these are wrong: Hell dose exit, most human do not experience hell, because not evil enough. Real life is not millions years long with multiple instantiations of reincarnations. Some could die, I mean the astrals, some are not forever. Some astrals were born new, it is all different stories.
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Post by Dagalvyi on Sept 29, 2007 21:26:16 GMT -4
I have to agree with this somewhat.
However, no person could possibly know how long a soul would stay close to the earthly plane before it went to heaven.
It is my beliefe that a soul can come and go to and from heaven until all the souls are finaly collected.
I also no longer believe that a place called "hell" exists.
Through the years I have studied the Bible extensively along with ancient and midevil history. The contradictions in the Bible, along with the history of Christ being murdered and all written facts destroyed, and the first christians being exicuted, ect, ect...
Anyway, this leads me to believe that the church, wich was the power then, decided the only way to stop poeple from the interest of christianity was to develope thier own.
By doing this they created a Bible to suite themselves.
What is the best way to keep the public under control and poor?
Tell them that satan will take your soul to hell for being bad and being too rich. we all know the "eye of the needle" parable.
This of course benifits the church. How do you think the early Kings became wealthy?
Anyway, so I decided to try to remote view on this so called "satan". In fact I tried it a few times. All I got was a voice telling me that there is no such thing.
However, I am no expert, nor do I pretend to know everything.
I just study the facts!
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Post by Sapphire on Sept 30, 2007 22:22:47 GMT -4
There is "Hell."
Because the evils cannot get away from justice. Maybe as a human but not in afterlife. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 0:34:54 GMT -4
Hell has to exist. Where else would the evil souls and the sinful souls go?
I don't pretend to know this stuff, I only have the Bible to go by and I trust it.
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Post by kentucker4 on Oct 1, 2007 17:06:12 GMT -4
Hell has to exist. Where else would the evil souls and the sinful souls go? I don't pretend to know this stuff, I only have the Bible to go by and I trust it. I would like to think it does because of my concept of what is good and what is evil. But I have read two interesting books, The Law of Attraction and the Power of Silence (by Carlos Castenada), which insist that there is no such thing as good and evil but only our perceptions of the two. I really don't want to believe this, though. They also insist that their are no such things as victims...only a natural cycle of energy that balances itself out. But IMO this is a cold and detached way to look at it, so I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 22:07:03 GMT -4
The trust is that it is all a point of view. Good to one is evil to another, and vise versa. There is such things as good and evil in our minds. On the grand stage of things, I don't know. Up to God on that one.
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Post by mossy on Oct 2, 2007 2:59:31 GMT -4
i believe that a person in their life on earth (and past lifes) create where they go when they die, like for instance if u are a muderer u will go the a dimension area where u can murder and be murdered and where the thoughts of people are not nice or "evil" I think this is where the concept of hell comes from. Where as if u live ur life with love and hapiness u will go where all the other people have the same thoghts making the place a nice place to be. Heavan maybe? With the bible thing i think Dagalvyi is right. it has been re-written many times over for one. The original message is in there such as jesus dying for humanitys sins for example and some of it is true but it was written by the men in power to controll the masses how they wanted. Thats my theories anyway ;D
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Post by mossy on Oct 2, 2007 3:03:08 GMT -4
the problem i have with the whole judgement thing Sapphire is lets say you were born into a family that taught you from an early age to be evil and commit crimes or watever then uve been brain washed into doing this. so how can it then be your fault. You would think its right because thats how youve been taught. What would then happen to that person when they were judged? I suppose you would have the feelings of guilt and stuff but they would be really faint if youve been conditioned in that way
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Post by king arthur on Oct 2, 2007 19:40:46 GMT -4
Hell has to exist. Where else would the evil souls and the sinful souls go? I don't pretend to know this stuff, I only have the Bible to go by and I trust it. I would like to think it does because of my concept of what is good and what is evil. But I have read two interesting books, The Law of Attraction and the Power of Silence (by Carlos Castenada), which insist that there is no such thing as good and evil but only our perceptions of the two. I really don't want to believe this, though. They also insist that their are no such things as victims...only a natural cycle of energy that balances itself out. But IMO this is a cold and detached way to look at it, so I have no idea. I think you are powerful enough to visit 'hell,' go there to visit and see with your own eyes. I did it many times, as soon as I was able to control astral projection, I went over there to visit them... 'Hell' does exist. Go see for yourself, do not take anyone's words for it, but this is only recommended to the members who are fluent with astral projection like Kentucker4, King Solomon, etc. Other members ... don't do it.
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Post by king arthur on Oct 2, 2007 19:47:17 GMT -4
Dagalvyi is a kind heart person, she wishes there is no hell. But just look at those bloody vicious murders, when they killed someone... have they thought about the victims might have families, might devastat these families for life.
And if there is no hell, God has failed his duty.
Sometimes, I do clean the hell (I have the power to do so). Seeing them suffering with no meaning, might as well kill the heavy criminals all. They are not going to repend, might as well destroy their astrals.
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Post by king arthur on Oct 2, 2007 19:54:29 GMT -4
the problem i have with the whole judgement thing Sapphire is lets say you were born into a family that taught you from an early age to be evil and commit crimes or watever then uve been brain washed into doing this. so how can it then be your fault. You would think its right because thats how youve been taught. What would then happen to that person when they were judged? I suppose you would have the feelings of guilt and stuff but they would be really faint if youve been conditioned in that way This is difficult, but no matter what... no human should take another human's life, this should be the basic. Only the animals (snakes, etc) might not having such concept. Before they kill another person, they should think about ...whether it is right or wrong, if they think they do not have to pay for it, then it is 'dead' wrong. This is what the hell is for. They still have to pay for it. Not knowing it... it is not the 'excuse' in the sight of God. Don't do anyting to others, when you do not want to receive the same treatment.
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Post by mossy on Oct 2, 2007 21:05:55 GMT -4
i agree witht he no one should take the human life thing. ;D
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Post by King Solomon on Oct 3, 2007 8:38:20 GMT -4
I have been to hell many times...no pun intended. ;D
Hell is located in the lower octave of the astral realms - the one closest to earth - and the easiest one to get to. There are many diverse places that comprise this realm. Lots of them have water. Some are just like any place you would see in other realms or octaves.
This is also where nightmares occur.
I have found that I only project there when I am troubled about something.
Theoophy says that you create your own hell based on what you have done in this life and in previous lifes. I'm pretty sure that we create our own astral realms too.
What I'm not clear about is how we can relate to others so much in a realm that we have created for ourselves. There is too much left to chance in astral. Perhaps we create our own astral realms based on an underlying "ether" that is either good or evil.
I like to think that the guy who shot and killed 32 Virginia Tech students will be punished proportional to his misdeeds. Whether it is the hell of his own creation or a previously established hell really doesn't make much difference. He basically owes the universe for 32 lifetimes of effort wasted.
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