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Post by Sapphire on Oct 3, 2007 19:34:37 GMT -4
I have been to hell many times...no pun intended. ;D Hell is located in the lower octave of the astral realms - the one closest to earth - and the easiest one to get to. There are many diverse places that comprise this realm. Lots of them have water. Some are just like any place you would see in other realms or octaves. This is also where nightmares occur. I have found that I only project there when I am troubled about something. Theoophy says that you create your own hell based on what you have done in this life and in previous lifes. I'm pretty sure that we create our own astral realms too. What I'm not clear about is how we can relate to others so much in a realm that we have created for ourselves. There is too much left to chance in astral. Perhaps we create our own astral realms based on an underlying "ether" that is either good or evil. I like to think that the guy who shot and killed 32 Virginia Tech students will be punished proportional to his misdeeds. Whether it is the hell of his own creation or a previously established hell really doesn't make much difference. He basically owes the universe for 32 lifetimes of effort wasted. I do not think the hell is created by thoughts, they are there already (created by God). How the astrals will be punished there are rules. Astral realms are not created by thoughts either. You can do this experienment ... which is ... project to the same place many times, they are still there. They do not shift places.
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Post by kentucker4 on Oct 3, 2007 20:04:04 GMT -4
The popular belief of physchologists is that a lucid dream is when you become aware while dreaming that you are dreaming and then you have the abillity to control or make anything that you desire in the dream. They say that you are not out of your body but more so in your own mind. Steven Lebarge really made this popular, He doesn't believe in AP, though, so I dunno about him. He is too much about scientific proof.
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 3, 2007 20:16:25 GMT -4
The popular belief of physchologists is that a lucid dream is when you become aware while dreaming that you are dreaming and then you have the abillity to control or make anything that you desire in the dream. They say that you are not out of your body but more so in your own mind. Steven Lebarge really made this popular, He doesn't believe in AP, though, so I dunno about him. He is too much about scientific proof. I dislike scienties, they are so closed minded, they cannot even prove there is -- God. This proves how stupid currently the Science is. My opinion anyway. They cannot create 'live' that is for sure, do not believe afterlife, tough. Astral projection this skill is still being wrongly written in many books, but astral projection definately not dreams. Maybe they cannot tell the difference, how to distinguish them... it is written in my book. The accurate AP is to project to another dimension at will. And able to communicate with others.
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Post by kentucker4 on Oct 3, 2007 20:19:23 GMT -4
What is then when you meditate and go into a trance and get the vibes and then feel yourslef leaving your body like so many people write about? is that just advanced remote viewing or something?
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Post by mossy on Oct 3, 2007 21:38:40 GMT -4
from what i know, doing it this way is a concious projection. letting your body fall asleep while your mind remains awake
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Post by mossy on Oct 3, 2007 21:42:56 GMT -4
The popular belief of physchologists is that a lucid dream is when you become aware while dreaming that you are dreaming and then you have the abillity to control or make anything that you desire in the dream. They say that you are not out of your body but more so in your own mind. Steven Lebarge really made this popular, He doesn't believe in AP, though, so I dunno about him. He is too much about scientific proof. I dislike scienties, they are so closed minded, they cannot even prove there is -- God. This proves how stupid currently the Science is. My opinion anyway. They cannot create 'live' that is for sure, do not believe afterlife, tough. Astral projection this skill is still being wrongly written in many books, but astral projection definately not dreams. Maybe they cannot tell the difference, how to distinguish them... it is written in my book. The accurate AP is to project to another dimension at will. And able to communicate with others. i agree, its the way the world is these days is stupid. theres so much evidece out there for them to look at and they still dont believe whats right in front of their faces. Its really frustrating. I hope in the future Astral projection and all the other stuff that goes with the whole spiritual side of things gets taught in schools. Thta would be good
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Post by Dagalvyi on Oct 3, 2007 23:53:38 GMT -4
PRETTY WILD SUBJECT!
However, when we think of a person being purely evil, do we realy know any?
People learn what they are taught. Children will through fits of rage to get attention if they can not get it any ohter way.
So, if a child would have gotten attention only by rageful acts, then he or she would continue to do so in order to get the love/attention they need.
How sad!
So, this child is unable to cope as an adult. He commits murder over and over again trying to get the attention he never had as a child. Deep inside his empty heart he is very sad and needs love more than any other soul, but does not know how to get it.
Do these souls deserve to burn in a "hell" because they weren't taught how to express there feelings properly. Do they deserve to suffer in the afterlife because they suffered in this life? Would any GOD of love cast away a child that was abused to adulthood to commit murder.
These are basically the things we have to ask ourselves when we think of what is to come in the afterlife.
If I as a human have love enough to forgive and feel for some one that made mistakes, do we not think GOD, who is love, would do the same?
We also have to remember that the soul is eternal and undamagable, unlike the body. A murder will only set the soul free, not kill it.
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Post by king arthur on Oct 4, 2007 20:47:59 GMT -4
I do not mean argue with you, but I do not think this is right.
Imaging - the one was murdered was your kid, if your kid got raped and murdered, died in a mercyless public park. Do you think you should forgive this murder? The ones got murdered did not involve you, so you do not feel ... that you have to feel sorry for the victims.
No, murder and murdering again, not an excuse. They go straight to hell.
God is mercyful, but God is not stupid.
God needs to be fair, not because they are abused so they can do whatever they want.
For example, those two who hit the Twin Towers in New York, I killed them personally; it is just simply waste of time to make them suffer in hell, what for? It is better eliminate them, period.
After they killed 3000 people, and asking for mercy, no way.
I am afraid, this is not true in astral. Astrals could be killed, not eternal, many human astrals are very fragile, because their souls are near paper thin.
This is the reason they need to be kind and collect good deeds to make their astral strong. If they are self-centered, their astrals will become smaller and smaller, eventually they will disappear in the universe.
I know these, because I have been to all levels of universe, these do happen, most astrals are fragile.
Some human's astrals are so small like the size of bees (compare to me). When I projected into their world, they only reached 1/2 inch of my feet.
Man and woman might think differently. Woman on earth creates life, this is the reason they want to forgive everyone.
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Post by King Solomon on Oct 5, 2007 13:34:16 GMT -4
I thought there were 11 suicide bombers and lots more conspirators behind this. Why only two?
This makes you wonder; though, what happens to someone's consciousness when they are killed in astral? It seems that consciousness would be permanent. Thought and experience exists, period. Perhaps they are doomed to repeat their past lives forever - in a never-ending loop. Would their consciousness be recycled into a new soul, or just cease to exist?
Also, what about the askaic records? I have been able to change these sometimes for really good reasons. It would be better to "Wipe them from the face of reality" than to just terminate their astrals.
Can you give us some points of reference? Are all gods - and all of your descendants the same size as you? What about animals and insects? If human astrals are only the size of bees, then insect astrals must be microscopic.
Also, I have enlarged myself to about the size as our solar system but I don't remember being able to shrink my astral to a smaller proportions. Can astrals change their size, or are they limited in that respect?
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Post by kentucker4 on Oct 5, 2007 13:54:23 GMT -4
He mean't when compared to his astral they are the size of bees...not literally the size of bees.
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Post by king arthur on Oct 5, 2007 20:16:37 GMT -4
He mean't when compared to his astral they are the size of bees...not literally the size of bees. Correct! ;D
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Post by king arthur on Oct 5, 2007 20:43:01 GMT -4
Two were the major killers, I executed those two. The rest got executed by other gods. The consciousness died with it, but with those are astral projecting out of a human body (who is still have human body on Earth), they will not be killed in astral. Consciousness is not permanant. There are many Akashic records, I do not know which one you are able to change. Akashic records is for afterward recordings, not for changing the future. Look at this picture: This picture will give you a very good idea, Buddhism is giving very accurate teachings, which we cannot find in Bible nor some religions. I am general bigger than all gods and goddesses, but I am able to shrink the astral body, so they will not terrified. In lower realms, the human astrals are small. The one on Earth, usually reached my 1/2 way to my knee. But not everyone is like that, don't forget some human are heaven beings, and very few of them have other status, so the sizes are different. The insects are in different realms, the sizes are different, some are so small, their astrals are locked in chains. You should try to see if you are able to shrink your astral, but I am kind of wondering why you have never seen smaller astrals, or you only project to certain of dimensions? Most astrals are limited in that respect (not able to change sizes). The reason to change sizes is because a god's job functions, and able to enter all different dimensions and not to frighten the locals.
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Post by Dagalvyi on Oct 5, 2007 23:15:34 GMT -4
KA;
I was under the impression that your religious beliefes were centered arounded buddhism?
Late Christian groups created the concept of "hell".
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Post by Astral Knight on Oct 6, 2007 15:30:46 GMT -4
Sapphire is Catholic.
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Post by Sapphire on Oct 6, 2007 19:58:52 GMT -4
KA; I was under the impression that your religious beliefes were centered arounded buddhism? Late Christian groups created the concept of "hell". I am Catholic like astral knight wrote, but with astral projections, I have found... Buddhism is more accurate in terms of religion. ;D There are other dimensions other than the heaven, also astrals do reincarnate, it is not written in Bible.
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