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Post by serapis on Dec 9, 2008 6:06:02 GMT -4
wow great to read that, and thx also for PM!
At the moment almost every night there is this "floating" feeling, every 3rd night it is really strong .....
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Post by serapis on Dec 9, 2008 9:43:02 GMT -4
This afternoon I tried:
Used "Journey out of the body CD/ Monroe Inst. - Condition D" for relaxation .... (didnt get your book until today, so I used what I have)
When I felt - relaxation - I concentrated to a place outside;
Something was happening, I felt like movement / floating / falling sensation, concentrated more to that place, my "body feeling" changed, for a few momentas I felt like beeing at this spot, but couldnt see / hear enough, more like visualisation then seeing; I recieved some pictures like in remote viewing ....
I guess concentration was not big enough, also maybe not enough relaxation ...
Suddenly it was like being on coutryside of austria ( I concetrated to a spot in vienna - city) and like being there and in my body (maybe the audio sound pushed me back in body) and like rotating / getting lots of different pics from there;
Well another step forward I guess, maybe it works better when I do it while waking up during the night,
thx for the hint!!
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 9, 2008 19:49:47 GMT -4
This afternoon I tried: Used "Journey out of the body CD/ Monroe Inst. - Condition D" for relaxation .... (didnt get your book until today, so I used what I have) When I felt - relaxation - I concentrated to a place outside; Something was happening, I felt like movement / floating / falling sensation, concentrated more to that place, my "body feeling" changed, for a few momentas I felt like beeing at this spot, but couldnt see / hear enough, more like visualisation then seeing; I recieved some pictures like in remote viewing .... I guess concentration was not big enough, also maybe not enough relaxation ... Suddenly it was like being on coutryside of austria ( I concetrated to a spot in vienna - city) and like being there and in my body (maybe the audio sound pushed me back in body) and like rotating / getting lots of different pics from there; Well another step forward I guess, maybe it works better when I do it while waking up during the night, thx for the hint!! You are welcome. When pratice OBE is better you start in where you live, because you feel safe and you have more time to look at yourself. There are still many problem after exiting, since you are a beginner. Like what you wrote, it seems your astral is not able to show up yet, your astral body might be transparent when you are not used to it yet. When you project that far into another country, first of all, you are not sure if you got there, second, you will be distracted by surrondings. I would say, don't try to fly before you can walk. Which means start from your room or living room, just to practice if your astral can show up competely. See if you can see your own hands and body, some people might not be able to show up right away. And after that, you need to practice if you can defend yourself in astral, which means if you can make weapons appear in astral, because you might see evils on the road, you will have to fight them. When you get the hang of showing your astral body in astral, then practice weapons, then you will be ready to see outside worlds.
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 9, 2008 19:54:55 GMT -4
I do not recommend CDs, because you will be rely on it. Imaging, you are in an island with nothing around, then you cannot project. Or in prison (just an example), or you forget to bring CD then you will not be able to project.
The more natural the better.
OBE is different from astral projection, the difference is written in my book.
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Post by serapis on Dec 9, 2008 20:25:57 GMT -4
Hi Sapphire,
Ok, thx for hint again,
will try without CD next time, was just a good tool for relaxation practice, but anyway I think it keeps me in the body because of audio signal which gives me a "I am In Body" feeling;
Yes hehe ..... I want to reach the other side of the planet before practicing basis abilities ...
Will try this and next nights as well as afternoon every day!
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Post by serapis on Dec 10, 2008 11:00:16 GMT -4
Mini OBEs ?!:
This night I didnt get really this floating feeling as I was tired and nearly got a flew yesterday ...
This afternoon:
I lay down on my side, almost immediately got this feeling ..... I only need to think of relaxation or "focus 10" as monroe explains in gateway ... but no Audio CD this time;
when relaxation comes also shortly afterwards I feel very light and its like the room changed or like when U feel asleep for 1 sekond and wake up again ... ( I compared it to feeling in physical body or my last lucid dream as I can remember it very good and it was unbelievable stable - the feeling of the body isnt that much "earthbound", like floating and "softer")
First I tried to concentrate to the door, didnt really work; Then I did spin visualisation, later rope climbing visualisation ....
a few times I had the feeling ..... relaxation ..... getting very light ...... movement sensation .... sometimes like a turbulence while flying, 2 times like moving with a lift but siedways ....I definitly feel being there, away from body;
Till now I cant see and the experience is very short, between 2 and 4 seconds and without eyesight;
Have the feeling like learning how to ride on a bike, but basicly being there and managing to have OBE; If I manage to have this light body feeling away from body long enough / floating in the direction I want .... I guess it will be a 100% OBE;
Also One time I floated to door, then through door and to stairs .... and it continued like dream/ lucid dream!
So it really seems that we do this every night when we are unconscious!! wow ..... just that through all these exercises more and more I manage to control the process ...
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 10, 2008 20:47:48 GMT -4
Keep practicing, and read what my book says about ... what to wear for beginner for astral projection, there are reasons for it. And if you do not use so many writers' methods... you will get there in no time. Just practice to stay out of body, longer and longer. Very positive you have right now.
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Post by serapis on Dec 11, 2008 4:09:32 GMT -4
Hi,
Ok, thx again, I think its a good point to start from where I am now and I ll follow the instructions you give in your books;
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 11, 2008 16:58:21 GMT -4
For example, I teach you to eat the food with your hand, but you are shuffling between Chopstick, fork or knife or spoon (all other writer' methods) , this will delay your eating. No offense! Just having fun with you. ;D Oh, yes. What I see, you think too fast. When you think too fast in astral, then your environment is hard to catch up with you, you have to try think slowly. This is the reason why you keep seeing moving pictures and views. And you will move sideways, or could be spinning in astral and hard to concentrate. Because the mind constant railing. Try to be clam in astral, or whatever you think you will act in astral.
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Post by serapis on Dec 11, 2008 18:22:52 GMT -4
I know what you mean;
Yep thats a general problem with me, I want to know everything, do everything possible, as soon I reached aim I ve got another ...
But astral projection always was biggest aim; I ll try to keep focused and slow,
thx for hint
serapis
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Post by serapis on Dec 12, 2008 6:45:14 GMT -4
another experiences:
During the night I tried OBE, but didnt really get this feeling of being "light", maybe because I worked in the record studio long yesterday;
But almost every time I try OBE when I wake up during the night - I get lucid dreams;
I was getting up, hearing strange sound; Wanted to follow up this sound, some people tried to stop me - like in trueman show when I tries to get out of city; Finally I get into a room liek a bank hall - oh I am lucid dreaming!
Everything slows down and its really hard to get lucid, like I would have to push up 50 kg stone with hands, finally I am lucid, fool around a bit in dream, then I feel it gets unstable, try to take memory with me, really hard this time!!!!! I manage to remember at least 1 scene and from there I can recall the whole experience and write it down;
10:30 a.m. morning:
I begin relaxing exercise, adfter about 20 minutes (its harder today then last days) I feel floating; Concentrate to a place next to door; doesnt really work;
After another 5-10 minutes feel floating again, concentrate again:
I feel my (astral) body very good and stable, move towards the visualised spot, but dont see anything; I guess because I dont see and try to see I snap back into body ....
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 12, 2008 20:29:09 GMT -4
another experiences: During the night I tried OBE, but didnt really get this feeling of being "light", maybe because I worked in the record studio long yesterday; But almost every time I try OBE when I wake up during the night - I get lucid dreams; I was getting up, hearing strange sound; Wanted to follow up this sound, some people tried to stop me - like in trueman show when I tries to get out of city; Finally I get into a room liek a bank hall - oh I am lucid dreaming! Everything slows down and its really hard to get lucid, like I would have to push up 50 kg stone with hands, finally I am lucid, fool around a bit in dream, then I feel it gets unstable, try to take memory with me, really hard this time!!!!! I manage to remember at least 1 scene and from there I can recall the whole experience and write it down; 10:30 a.m. morning: I begin relaxing exercise, adfter about 20 minutes (its harder today then last days) I feel floating; Concentrate to a place next to door; doesnt really work; After another 5-10 minutes feel floating again, concentrate again: I feel my (astral) body very good and stable, move towards the visualised spot, but dont see anything; I guess because I dont see and try to see I snap back into body .... Hey, Serapis, Congratulation! You got it, you are able to astral project already. Just yourself is not able to tell. I will tell you why you cannot tell it is astral projection and teach you how yourself can tell you are in astral in private messages. You just have to stick with the same method, don't keep shifting methods, because when it works for you, it will work all the time, if you keep shifting methods, you will confuse yourself again.You just need to keep practicing, to 100% master the skill. Remember! Stick to the same method.When you do not see anything when OBE nearby, there are couple of reasons: One, the place you projected to, it is at night time over there, so it is pitch dark over there, then you are not going to see anything. Second, your astral eyes are not completely opened in astral, which means you need to practice more about OBE (earth projection), not sure how long for you, but at times, perhaps two weeks or more of same method, then you will be able to see. When I projected to a pitch dark, I am still able to see, not sure it is because my status in the universe or just because I have been practicing astral projection for long time. Astral projection has less problem with seeing or viewing things, because it could be in another dimension, instead of the earth. Which means your astral is easier to show up, not like the OBE. ;D Practing showing your astral to show up in OBE is important too. Because then you can tell exacting what you are doing in astral, instead of guessing what really happened in astral. The correct way of showing your astral body in OBE, you will be able to see your hands, clothing you wear, and what so wonderful part about astral... you might be wearing something different from the clothing you wore when practicing OBE. Then you can tell you have exited, and it is a very cool feeling. Keep posting your stores, they are very exciting to read. ;D
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 12, 2008 20:32:23 GMT -4
See, you are a quick learner. From the first day you posted over here, Dec 03, 2008. Till today, Dec 12, 2008. You got it already.
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 12, 2008 20:55:54 GMT -4
I am very happy for you.
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Post by serapis on Dec 13, 2008 5:47:54 GMT -4
Hello Sapphire,
Thx for private mesage and postings here!
Yes it helps a lot, also something changed definitly since I am here in this forum:
This feeling when I try OBE from relaxing / visualisation;
I begin to understand what U mean with "confusing" .... one method and stick to it;
Yes it seems that often I am already in astral and dont notice;
Since I am a child even during daytime consciousness I have feelings like this:
something is different, I feel like in a dream, I can feel energies, auras ....
I get in trance very easy, just like alice in wonderland;
BUT: I had a very "rational" childhood from parents side and school; Like not seeing the wood because of the trees ....
I am interested in spiritual things since I can remember, was reading franz bardons initiation into true hermetics with about 15 ... from this side I also know that there are "different stages of evolution" ..... you may call divine soul, human god or else .... lots of examples in hindu tradition and egypt ...
I definitly know that pharaos where true "human" gods (at least the first ones) with abilities beyond imagination .... only we think it was just a manipulation ....
I always was believing in magic .... was really dissapointed when teachers told me it doesnt exist .... till I realised THEY are wrong....
and that I can do telekinesis, aura reading and "change reality" just trough thinking; like letting clouds / thunderstorms dissapear .... my friends are really getting mad when we have brie and we are sitting in sun and around us its raining like hell hehe ...
BUT: Its so weird that especially when it came to astral projection .... I had dozens of lucid dreams but couldnt do it by will .....
I guess I def. used to many authors, not that they are bad to read but its like trying to get world championchip in ree fighting and changing martial ats trainer every week .... then U learn a bit jujutsu, karate, yong tsun .... but get confuesd in fight hehe ...
another thing: I use a chrital ball sometimes to get visions which very often come true .... just realised by accident that I get visions when I look into shaped glass;
Do you think this is astral vision or something else? Till today very often things come true although I think I see "developments" - what CAN happen if ...
cheers
serapis
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