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Post by serapis on Dec 13, 2008 5:57:24 GMT -4
PS: dimensions
I sometimes had "lucid dreams" (I interpreted it as a dream) where I was flying in a world with only colourful geometrical forms, sitting in one of them, was something like a "house" in this world, but flying and had "windows" from where I was abe to see other flying gemetrical forms ...
Also when I was about 14 I was flying out of window and seeing something like many flying soucers in the sky, I interpreted it as lucid dream because it looked "unrealistic" to me ..... maybe its my "rational" education in childhood which kept me from understanding what is astral / lucid e.g. ....
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 13, 2008 21:10:22 GMT -4
Hello Sapphire, Thx for private mesage and postings here! Yes it helps a lot, also something changed definitly since I am here in this forum: This feeling when I try OBE from relaxing / visualisation; I begin to understand what U mean with "confusing" .... one method and stick to it; Yes it seems that often I am already in astral and dont notice; Since I am a child even during daytime consciousness I have feelings like this: something is different, I feel like in a dream, I can feel energies, auras .... I get in trance very easy, just like alice in wonderland; BUT: I had a very "rational" childhood from parents side and school; Like not seeing the wood because of the trees .... I am interested in spiritual things since I can remember, was reading franz bardons initiation into true hermetics with about 15 ... from this side I also know that there are "different stages of evolution" ..... you may call divine soul, human god or else .... lots of examples in hindu tradition and egypt ... I definitly know that pharaos where true "human" gods (at least the first ones) with abilities beyond imagination .... only we think it was just a manipulation .... I always was believing in magic .... was really dissapointed when teachers told me it doesnt exist .... till I realised THEY are wrong.... and that I can do telekinesis, aura reading and "change reality" just trough thinking; like letting clouds / thunderstorms dissapear .... my friends are really getting mad when we have brie and we are sitting in sun and around us its raining like hell hehe ... BUT: Its so weird that especially when it came to astral projection .... I had dozens of lucid dreams but couldnt do it by will ..... I guess I def. used to many authors, not that they are bad to read but its like trying to get world championchip in ree fighting and changing martial ats trainer every week .... then U learn a bit jujutsu, karate, yong tsun .... but get confuesd in fight hehe ... another thing: I use a chrital ball sometimes to get visions which very often come true .... just realised by accident that I get visions when I look into shaped glass; Do you think this is astral vision or something else? Till today very often things come true although I think I see "developments" - what CAN happen if ... cheers serapis I am very proud of you. When you just started, I felt you were so close, but your methods were not getting the point, all I have to do is to pointing you to the right directions, till you 100% get it, like now. It is important for me to train people astral projection, because ... For one, to prove "astral projection" is real, and to prove to the earth human, there are actully other dimensions. Unfortunately the only way to get there while alive is... astral projection. And thus, you will not be afraid of death, because you've already known how to exit your human body. These are real, you can find out more by astral projection. But I do urge you, practice a weapon to appear in astral, or see what type of weapon you can make them appear, because you might encounter trouble during astral travels, and you might have to fight them, when you fluent with making weapon appear, they will always appear in astral. This frustates me too. The scientist and teachers, they only know so much, when I watch National Geo on TV, I can tell there are lots of mistakes about the gallaxies or the universe, but what can you do? They cannot astral project. This is neat. Like me, I always play with the weather in New York, this is why the temperture is up one day, and next day down, if I forget to do it, it will become cold again. I was reading your process at the time and snickered. Because I knew.... the day, you stop changing trainer, then that will be the day you get it. You do not know what it is. Let me tell you, it is called "Third Eye." ;D You are lucky, because I happened to own all these skills. Some human use Third Eye sklls for living. It sounds to me, that your astral were going through a tunnel, and this tunnel is a gateway to one of the dimensions. The other day, you were describing one thing, it sounded to me, your astral were passing through the "Black hole." There could be more unrealistic adventures you will have, try not compare to earthly expereince. Like your feet might not be always on the ground. (not human behavior)
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Post by serapis on Dec 14, 2008 14:33:38 GMT -4
thx for detailed answer .....
Its so weird that there are so many clubs, orders, groups ... they all have different believes but nobody knows anything!!!!
They all copy the same books written in the 19th century (theosophical / antroposophical / rosicrucian books) and only through reading you know they just mix up earlier esoterical books ...
even mong rosicrucians almost nobody can do astral projection! up to highest degrees people only get used to boring rituals and think it would change anythng in their lifes ....
Maybe this is the reason I got lost in so many books, I wanted to be able to DO it ....
Today there was a konklave of rosicrucians / TMO: I was sitting there most of the time with closed eyes, faszinated that my consciousness moved out of body, didnt really listen to what people where talking as it was only blabla about what they think ...
dont get me wrong its really important that there are spiritual groups, I am just getting a bit bored because they are talking like that:
there is the spiritual road, and because of the road is there, there is the aim, and we shouldnt try to reach the aim but walk the road, and while walking the road we reach the aim .... BLABLABLABLABLABLA ......
mystical nonsense!
you are getting nowhere with that!
"everybody is sitting in the order doing a mystical ritual asking - what are we doing here ..... and someone says .... I dont know, the last one who knew already died ....!
Only 2 perceptions:
During having eyes closed I saw a guy - with clothes like mozart .... standing in front of st. stephens cathedral .... giving me something like tickets ...
every ticket was a experience .... one I got into a different kind of city, like in 19th century ... seeing people walking around .... one braught me to a place on countryside .....
my consciousness was not stable enogh so I had just short perceptions / visions then it dissappeared again ....
will continue practising!
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 14, 2008 23:21:58 GMT -4
thx for detailed answer ..... Its so weird that there are so many clubs, orders, groups ... they all have different believes but nobody knows anything!!!! They all copy the same books written in the 19th century (theosophical / antroposophical / rosicrucian books) and only through reading you know they just mix up earlier esoterical books ... even mong rosicrucians almost nobody can do astral projection! up to highest degrees people only get used to boring rituals and think it would change anythng in their lifes .... Maybe this is the reason I got lost in so many books, I wanted to be able to DO it .... Today there was a konklave of rosicrucians / TMO: I was sitting there most of the time with closed eyes, faszinated that my consciousness moved out of body, didnt really listen to what people where talking as it was only blabla about what they think ... dont get me wrong its really important that there are spiritual groups, I am just getting a bit bored because they are talking like that: there is the spiritual road, and because of the road is there, there is the aim, and we shouldnt try to reach the aim but walk the road, and while walking the road we reach the aim .... BLABLABLABLABLABLA ...... mystical nonsense! you are getting nowhere with that! "everybody is sitting in the order doing a mystical ritual asking - what are we doing here ..... and someone says .... I dont know, the last one who knew already died ....! Only 2 perceptions: During having eyes closed I saw a guy - with clothes like mozart .... standing in front of st. stephens cathedral .... giving me something like tickets ... every ticket was a experience .... one I got into a different kind of city, like in 19th century ... seeing people walking around .... one braught me to a place on countryside ..... my consciousness was not stable enogh so I had just short perceptions / visions then it dissappeared again .... will continue practising! I could not agree more. And you can see non of the scientists practice astral projection... very shallow. They only believe what they can touch and see. Very funny! I want to make sure you read this one: sapphirelove.proboards92.com/index.cgi?board=223&action=display&thread=1175
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Post by serapis on Dec 15, 2008 5:55:25 GMT -4
Hi sapphire,
I am getting there; Even this night I wasnt realy able to leave body, but I got this feeling / I know when I could .... also can remember some dreams which could have been OBEs and my mind changed them into dream memory .... in such a dream I played something like a computer game, I was able to fly to every spot in the game .... I believe that this was OBE, and my mind changed the memory of it like it was a dream ... maybe I also was lucid and wasnt able to download memory .....
Interersting reoprt of yours .... wow I often was thinking am I already dead? .....as sometimes it feels like that ...
I want to change my reality .... her ein vienna its cold and people are very frustrated and unfirendly ... I dont like the winter ...
even if I go to india end of january for 2 months ...... I need a good permanent solution; maybe australia, usa, new sealand .... lets C ....have been in so many countries but not in these ones where it could be possible to build up a better (and warm) future hehe ...
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 15, 2008 20:21:57 GMT -4
even if I go to india end of january for 2 months ...... I need a good permanent solution; maybe australia, usa, new sealand .... lets C ....have been in so many countries but not in these ones where it could be possible to build up a better (and warm) future hehe ... I envy your freedom. ;D
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Post by serapis on Dec 16, 2008 7:16:10 GMT -4
am I a astral teacher?
Hey tonight something interesting happened:
My new girlfriend woke up during the night and started talking: ( about 2:30 a.m.)
"The one who is able to turn into a "snake man" (person who has ability to turn into a snake) can see his face in the shadow ...."
I didnt understand first and she repeated ....
she said she woke up, couldnt move and almost couldnt talk .... and she has a message:
She continued:
I was teaching her a lot of things, for example how to defend against demons ....
I was able to change into a snake man" with magic abilities;
I showed her in her dream to create energy in body and shoot it at demons and destroy them, like darth vader ......we where able to fly and moved up to a hill and destroyed demons around us;
Then I was drinking something like poison - not everybody can do, and this changed me into a "snake man" .... looking like a antique snakegod; She said she knew that once she has this ability she has achieved "quite a lot";
Also I said to her that in real life she should keep off people whom she doesnt like from the very first beginning as they come from a pastlife and try to get control over her ....
She said everything was totally real, not like a dream ....
I dont have any memory of this ..... she is a scientiyt, works for austrian government and is not interested in occult, magic, astral projection or anything like that!
She looked really different, was thinking about what happened to her, and so did I - as I always had the feeling ..... I should be able to project, but cant ..... doesnt feel right ....
Two weeks ago she told me - I am shining like having a gloriole ...during last yers it happened often that in the night blue or red slittle shperes where flying fast through the room;
First time somebody else tells me things like that, even when another girlfriend of mine very often said: I was dreaming you are a wizzard, and twice in real life during night hours she was thinking I am in the room;
Very strange as I have 0 memories about things like that;
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 16, 2008 21:13:03 GMT -4
She is really neat, she might have natural born remote viewing ability, just a guess.
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Post by serapis on Dec 17, 2008 18:32:08 GMT -4
wow would be great!
Another experience this afternoon:
I dont really manage to exit at the moment but:
Ha some kind of vision, some moments in my life as child, teenager and later; The point was: Somebody showed me that the most important thing is the social connection to all these people! My life is also all the connections to others, not so much my own experiences!! (I was thinking its the other way round ...)
after that I saw many people I seem to know from pastlifes, an even bigger personality ..... so to say;
So one personality is "all my connections in this life" .... another personality is "all the beinigs I know in general" a much bigger "being" ..... somebody wanted to show me this difference ....
This night I was really close to exit body but it seems that I continued sleeping after a while ...so it didnt work; But had some intensive dreams I can all remember about climbing a mountain and climbing down again;
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 17, 2008 21:32:04 GMT -4
wow would be great! Another experience this afternoon: I dont really manage to exit at the moment but: Ha some kind of vision, some moments in my life as child, teenager and later; The point was: Somebody showed me that the most important thing is the social connection to all these people! My life is also all the connections to others, not so much my own experiences!! (I was thinking its the other way round ...) after that I saw many people I seem to know from pastlifes, an even bigger personality ..... so to say; So one personality is "all my connections in this life" .... another personality is "all the beinigs I know in general" a much bigger "being" ..... somebody wanted to show me this difference .... This night I was really close to exit body but it seems that I continued sleeping after a while ...so it didnt work; But had some intensive dreams I can all remember about climbing a mountain and climbing down again; Not sure what it means to you.
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Post by serapis on Dec 18, 2008 8:56:22 GMT -4
little OBE success ...
afternoon and early in the morning seems to be best time for OBE:
this afternoon in the beginning I failed, then I began to understand why:
I "tried" instead of simply doing it;
I fail because its so simple and I still seem to have in mind "try techniques" instead of simply turning on my side, waiting for this "light feeling" and concentrate to a spot outside of body ...
I guess I ll have to forget about complicated explanations (not so easy ...) and continue with one simple technique ...
You where absolutly right with body position as well as slow thinking ...
2 times I managed to float out of body even when it was rather uncontroled and didnt last long
also I got some "inner voice" reagarding a lot of things ... for example even if I like some OBE authors I definitly got the impression that it confuses me even to think of all these techniques and hundrets of pages which describe OBE / AP;
Today I clearly recognised ..... simple exercise is better than practise 1 Million different exercises within 90 days, just nice to read but confusing indeed!! .... I guess most people wont reach anything with that ( I guess you know which books I mean)
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Post by serapis on Dec 18, 2008 10:26:20 GMT -4
PS: Got it!
I went for a snooze again as I have flee and no business today:
Mamaged again a mini OBE, got this feeling and floated out of body! (almost asleep) also I was able to remember many dreams of last days .... was so exited that I snaped back in the body, but this is only a thing of regular practise!
Hey sapphire, here´s how I feel in this world since I am a child:
Just imagine a baby lion, lost in a little zoo ....
mama duck says ... hey you little ugly duck, I ll learn you how to talk and swim .... quack quack. .... I cant swim, and when I say "quack" it sounds like rrroooaaaarrrrrr
all the other baby ducks lough and say .... quack quack quack .... we are cool in our little duck suits, when we are adult ducks we will be beautiful strong ducks, but you will never be such a beautiful duck like we will be ...
now all duckmamas meet and discuss what to do with this ugly duckbaby ...
u have to be a devotee, you have to meditate, you have to learn you have to ..........blababla .... quack quack ...
"rooaaarrrrr" says the baby lion as it eats all the duckmamas ...... oh now I know who I am ....
I always was feeling strange when all this esoteric people said: you have to be devote to this and that
All the scientists told me their truth ...
well I begin to realise what its all about hehe ...
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 18, 2008 20:08:47 GMT -4
little OBE success ... afternoon and early in the morning seems to be best time for OBE: this afternoon in the beginning I failed, then I began to understand why: I "tried" instead of simply doing it; I fail because its so simple and I still seem to have in mind "try techniques" instead of simply turning on my side, waiting for this "light feeling" and concentrate to a spot outside of body ... I guess I ll have to forget about complicated explanations (not so easy ...) and continue with one simple technique ... You where absolutly right with body position as well as slow thinking ... 2 times I managed to float out of body even when it was rather uncontroled and didnt last long also I got some "inner voice" reagarding a lot of things ... for example even if I like some OBE authors I definitly got the impression that it confuses me even to think of all these techniques and hundrets of pages which describe OBE / AP; Today I clearly recognised ..... simple exercise is better than practise 1 Million different exercises within 90 days, just nice to read but confusing indeed!! .... I guess most people wont reach anything with that ( I guess you know which books I mean) Yeah, OBE and AP is simple when you follow the steps invented by me, there are reasons why regular human do not project easily unless follow the steps. Because you cannot have everyone project out unwillingly. Many people failed the OBE or AP with other writers' books, and finally they came to me. Some books are not necessary that long 500 pages, and not getting the point. (This is the reason other writers, they hate me, and they were chasing after me in the past. Because my methods are so easy and faster. )
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Post by Sapphire on Dec 18, 2008 20:13:56 GMT -4
PS: Got it! I went for a snooze again as I have flee and no business today: Mamaged again a mini OBE, got this feeling and floated out of body! (almost asleep) also I was able to remember many dreams of last days .... was so exited that I snaped back in the body, but this is only a thing of regular practise! Hey sapphire, here´s how I feel in this world since I am a child: Just imagine a baby lion, lost in a little zoo .... mama duck says ... hey you little ugly duck, I ll learn you how to talk and swim .... quack quack. .... I cant swim, and when I say "quack" it sounds like rrroooaaaarrrrrr all the other baby ducks lough and say .... quack quack quack .... we are cool in our little duck suits, when we are adult ducks we will be beautiful strong ducks, but you will never be such a beautiful duck like we will be ... now all duckmamas meet and discuss what to do with this ugly duckbaby ... u have to be a devotee, you have to meditate, you have to learn you have to ..........blababla .... quack quack ... "rooaaarrrrr" says the baby lion as it eats all the duckmamas ...... oh now I know who I am .... I always was feeling strange when all this esoteric people said: you have to be devote to this and that All the scientists told me their truth ... well I begin to realise what its all about hehe ... You will be able to explore more in astral and find out many secrets which unknown to human. The best candidates to learn astral projection are the monks and priests, because they do not have to worry about anything else. I know the monks, they do study this, but they kept it a secret. Not sure about the priests, if they want to see God, they should practice astral projection.
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Post by serapis on Dec 19, 2008 4:46:56 GMT -4
Hi Sapphire, Yes!! It seems to be not too difficult: This night I tried at about 4 am, but was to tired; Then at 8:20 a.m. I tried again, first I didnt really get this light feeling, but after a while it slowly came; This time this feeling kept stable, I concentrated outside; I was able to "move" to different places outside of my flat, sometimes I was seeing a bit (concentrated on "clear sight immediately, helped a bit) and had a stable feeling; B ut it seems my thoughts move to quickly as you wrote, I was seeing the package with your books (!) and where it is (aaacchhhh Autrian toll service, it needs 5 dys to come from USA to Austria and 2 months to pass toll service) .... so I changed reality in present and past to get it the next days; Also suddenly since yesterday I remembered a seal I got through a meditation some years ag for the "chamber of kings" (rosicrucians in highest degrees get it) and felt this divine presence of my highest self ( inner god) - also this morning I feel it very strong like I can do everything .... I am sure especially monks can do it! I have a memory ..... a lucid dream ..... I was a monk, nothing but staying in something like ashram .... when I went to village little kids loughed about me but I didnt care .... I knew that I am "safe" .... some other monks didnt follow the rules and had sex in ashram, I did follow the rules and it felt right .....oh jesus give away divine power for simple sex .... what a waste .... was a clear feeling in lucid dream! outside there was something like a demon, a black big thing with wings and a vampire - like shape which made a terrible sound ...... I knew I have to follow the rules and stay inside the ashram (symbol for the right way ??) and then the demon has no power over me; THis was the reason I joined the rosicrucians, its the way of the kings, egypt mystery teaching .... also why I travelled to south africa, didnt want to be in "civilized surrounding" MAN compared to coastline, dolphins, eagles, little baboons and an unbelieveable view like on the first day of creation ...... human cities are HELLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! also I went to india to study yoga, I simply had to do it .... all my life I did nothing but study mystic teachings .... I guess the more you are attached to money, house and degrees / social blabla the less you are free in astral also ?!
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