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Post by Sapphire on Apr 22, 2009 20:43:39 GMT -4
I sure hope the atheists aren't right. How could nothing be bliss? No pain, but then again, nothing...gone. To be honest, Atheists really annoy me. IMO they are lacking something inside and that's why they can only believe what they see with their own eyes. So have you had a kundalini awawening before? I hear those are really powerful and you have to be a well balanced person to cope with it. I think I may have had one before brought about by an unatural cause. I dunno. I have always wondered, though, if people who suffer from panic attacks and other mental problems if they had a premature kundalini awakening and their body and mind can't adjust or cope. I don't see how anyone could down anyone for their beliefs. I sure don't believe in god. This definitely doesn't keep me from any of those thoughts your talking about. Bliss exists in a godless world, just as much as death, mourning, and depression exist in a god world. Everyone still holds on to beliefs to craft their life. Good or bad. And were all trying to do the same thing, eliminate as much of the bad thoughts as we can, to live a more happy and prosperous life. Where we can make the choices, and rely on ourselves instead of outside circumstance. I just don't choose to believe something outside of me is the answer to how I am going to feel, and how my life is going to end up. I've never believed in god, and I have always been a happy person, people enjoy my company... because I am mellow, I have a great heart, really care about people... and always give it my all. Believe what you want, god, no god. Doesnt make a difference. Saying we have nothing inside though? thats a rediculous statement to me. Weither I do or not, you and I are still connected through the everflowing energy. You are no different then me when it comes to the core, even though you and I are on other spectrums in different places, feeling different things. Oh and since when is an atheist someone who believes only in things perceived by the eye? I've never heard that before. Out of curiousity. I still can tap into clairaudience, clairvoyance, telekinesis, and shape my reality to how I decide to see it. It gets deeper then that, but thats a whole nother topic for another time. It is Okay not to believe in God, but I have to let you know, that there are many levels of the universe, after Atheists pass away this life, their souls will enter a world which is called "Atheists' world," which you will not see God, unless there are disasters happen then God will still appear and save you guys. But in general, Atheists do not directly blessed by God, because they do not believe in God, so God let them do their own chores, unless they want to do some totally against the God, then that is they might be sent to hell. Lots of Atheists are good people, but unfortunately, they would be far from heaven, unless they have outstanding achievement in life. I know this for fact, because I can travel between heaven and this earth. I know the heaven structure. I think what Kentucker4 meant about "nothing inside" he meant "no god in the heart" not as serious as you would define, he meant no harm. ;D I know it is very difficult to let Atheists to believe there is God. This is the actual conversation between I and an Atheist (a friend of mine), to me it seems unbelievable, and the person is too stubborn to believe in anything and to a point becomes ridiculous. (I would better break it down to two posts, in case the computer crash or something. )
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 22, 2009 20:58:44 GMT -4
Here it goes:
Atheist: I do not believe in god.
Me: Why you do not believe in god?
Atheist: I have never seen god.
Me: You have never seen him, it does not mean he does not exist.
Me: Do you believe there is soul?
Atheist: I do not believe in soul.
Me: Where you come from then?
Atheist: Sperm and an egg.
Me: One soul enter the fetus thus became you.
Atheist: I do not believe it.
Me: Do you believe in ghosts?
Atheist: No, I do not believe it either.
Me: So, you are saying those who saw ghosts ... they are lying?
Atheist: I could not be sure.
Me: Let me ask you who created this universe?
Atheist: The big bang.
Me: God was the one who did the big bang.
Atheist: I do not believe it.
Me: When you die, where do you think you will go?
Atheist: When human died, they vanished in the universe.
Me: They do not vanish, they actually go somewhere afterlife.
Atheist: I do not believe it.
Me: Do you believe in "Soul"?
Atheist: No, I do not believe it. I believe human have no soul ... it is a made up theory.
Me: Do you believe in reincarnation?
Atheist: No.
Me: So, the sun and earth and the entire universe is made by whom?
Atheist: It is just there.
Me: They were made by God.
I rest my case, you have convinced me that you do not believe in anything.
;D
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 22, 2009 21:12:32 GMT -4
To me, that Atheist thinks the air, the blue sky and the earth is just meant to be there for the person to enjoy and never thought ... they could be designed by someone like the God. Imaging this... there could be no air, no sky and no earth... ? Who is protecting you? The answer... the God, the God.
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 22, 2009 21:48:51 GMT -4
Okay, I have never explained why having the concept or believe in God is important.
You do not have to go to the church to believe in God, God is not stingy like that, but you have to believe in God in the case of disaster.
Because most human are not able to fight disaster alone, or fight the demons or evil alone when die. Their souls might be kidnapped, then you call for God to help you, then he will send angels to save you, or himself will come. I know some souls trapped at the bottom of sea or the ghosts knowing no where to go, if they believe in God, then they can call God for help then will be rescued.
God is almighty but if you do not call for him in case of calamity, he does not know you need help, and some cases when you call for his name then you automatically be released from sorrows.
This is the reason you need to have concept of God.
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 22, 2009 21:50:39 GMT -4
And God himself, he wants you to believe in him so he can hear your call in the case of emergency.
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Post by thepositivemoxie on Apr 22, 2009 23:16:45 GMT -4
Oh I understand he ment no harm, so none taken... I'm simply throwing out my own argument for this discussion. I may not believe in what you guys say to be god, but I certainly believe in everything you have said. Maybe not hell or heaven, which you very well may be right.... but I do believe in reincarnation, having a soul, ect. There is something very deep in me, and an expression, something I know I am ment to do here that is on a grander scale. Though I just never saw it as GOD. There is always something deeper. Nothing could exist for no reason. That is just messed up if that was the case.
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Post by mossy on Apr 23, 2009 0:13:10 GMT -4
i see it as it doesnt matter what you believe as GOD but as long as you beleve in SOMETHING. GOD is just a word. for instance cristians say god, muslims say allah, they are still the same or part of the sdame god. I think one of your last posts positive moxie you talked about the all encompassing energy. That is my god. because everything is energy, then god is energy too. but then so is everyone else just everything is at different stages
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Post by serapis on Apr 23, 2009 15:50:19 GMT -4
Hello all, Very interesting discussion, at the end "not to exist", or to imagine - universe was nothing but accident ..... this is much mir difficult to argue than to see - everything is consciousness .... its just that even if atheists would be right ..... we would be in the same situation ..... because if when we die there would be nothing but molecules and no soul ...... we would not exist, so something which suddenly turns into nothing would be "everything" at the same time because its not possible for something which exists to dissapear and "not exist".... so the argument of atheists at the end leads to the same result as the indian vedanta or other spiritual teachings .... its just a point of view, but to be everything or to "be" nothing...... seems to be the same to me .... and nothing is just a word ..... maybe "nothing" doesnt exist because if we can imagine "nothing" ..... it exists ..... it is nothing so it "is" .... something ...... wow I have a very special state of consciousness at the moment .... I can see every place on the planet, feels again like being everywhere, even during daytime consciousness ... kundalini awakening .... I was born with awakened kundalini ..... and my whole life is so different to the average person (bad diseases, travelling through the world, spiritual experiences ...) that I had no choice than to life a spiritual life .... just now something is developing .... something is changing .... or I just reach the level of my last incarnation? I donno ...... Just I feel .... everything is ok, just for fun I made a chakra test on the internet (I definitly believe this is rubbish but on a forum somebody asked and I wanted to try before arguing agains it) ..... result 97% activity ajna chakra (eyebrow chakra) and 50% activity of saswara (fontanelle chakra top of ead .... all other chakras almost 0%, only vishuddha (thyroid gland) was active a little bit ..... so even this rubbish internet chakra test showed my whole kundalini moves prana around in the head ...hehe ....... its just hard to get along with "normal people" who battle with daily life and at the same time feel all this divine energy all the time ..... sometimes I want to move to a cave or the forest as oeconomy, industry, companies (even my own) money, cars .... means nothing to me any more ... and to hide in an ashram or catholic monk retreat is no solution for me .... today I was flying out of body in meditation ..... I was not really some kind of astral body but consciousness which made perceptions here and there .... some days ago a holy man / saint came along (in astral, he died 2002) and showed me some energy exercises, with these exercises I can change into divine consciousness evern during daytime / anytime ..... I change into a being with wings, I feel it even during operating in my body .... that behind that thereĀ“s this divine being ..... no I any more .....hard to explain without talking like some kind of insane person hehe ....
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Post by thepositivemoxie on Apr 23, 2009 18:17:58 GMT -4
Interesting points there Serapis. Think you could share these exercises? Sounds like something I'd be interested as well as others, about.
I took one of those tests too awhile ago, maybe the same one. Was pretty spot on. Might do it again to see if it's really changing based how I feel it is.
The only part I find difficult about living in the normal modern society, is the fact when people try to tell you this and that are true, and all you want is for them to know that nothing is true, but yet everything is. That you have some sort of ultimate choice about how you and your body are going to feel with everything you encounter in life (emotional, physical, spiritual, ect). I choose to just do everything without telling people now, because most people don't give two sh*ts. I have a couple friends, and my brother who are equally into these theories and processes though. So I'm lucky I have something to share, and I'm not alone. Though it is kind of cool, that I have this special ability to mold my life exactly how I choose. Others may not. What do you think though, what if we were all in this physical reality, and every single person could do anything anywhere, anytime. Would that all eventually cancel each other out? I know thats what a lot of the 2012 theories go toward, complete creation.
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 23, 2009 21:40:23 GMT -4
Every thread which creates by Serapis will create a discussion among us. I think Serapis has this karizima of audiences. ;D
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Post by serapis on Apr 24, 2009 10:01:18 GMT -4
hmm was already like that in school ...
I am also initiated into kriya yoga of harihananda, got a Kriya, very simple and very difficult at the same time, is about that every being who is incarnated has one"point" of real existence, something like a "chakra" but beyond body, it's a point of true balance, a point without form, time and space, our true reality
in meditation if you find this "point" you see through all maya of creation onto what you really are, with that technique all other kriyas are only support ..... helps to get into divine consciousness whenever one wants
hmmm today I had to go to center of vienna, cities are hell to me and it's hard to see all these sad and frustrated people, my place is the forest sea and mountains .... well I don't belong to this planet at all hehe...
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Post by serapis on Apr 24, 2009 10:09:53 GMT -4
ps: well we all are free every moment in our life!
but also I ..... one moment I feel totally free, have all spiritual power, 2 hours later I am cought in maya, thinking that I feel like a human illusion of having body and dealing with problems...
this was exact the teaching of master harihananda, he said to me .... be what u are, all the time, be in this spot of ur true reality, love!
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Post by serapis on Apr 24, 2009 10:22:34 GMT -4
ps II hmmm I often tend 2 forget when I talk to people - that most of them think they are unfree , so they look at me like I d be insane
if I go to yoga center .... many people move their body nothing more, then after lession when they talk about problems I say
no it only seems to be like that, forget it, enjoy life ....
they look at me for a moment, try to be polite while thinking .... he's crazy....
all the people should quit their jobs
just imagine there's war and everybody stays home
just imagine it's Monday morning and everybody stays in bed....
yes I know all the rational answers .....
but it's possible 2 live without eating, it's possible 2 levitate and teleport, just with ties and suit all we can do is making money and wars.....
the moment we "think rational" nothing supernatural exists
just if you have crossed a river, you leave the boat, you don't carry the boat on your back while u move on... and we already crossed the river.... we just don't know, that's why we all walk with a big boat on our back called logical thinking hehe
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Post by Astral Knight on Apr 24, 2009 18:37:33 GMT -4
Very funny way to describe it and very true.
Do you think the "Levitation" is real? Did it start from India?
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Post by kentucker4 on Apr 24, 2009 23:22:27 GMT -4
Oh I understand he ment no harm, so none taken... I'm simply throwing out my own argument for this discussion. I may not believe in what you guys say to be god, but I certainly believe in everything you have said. Maybe not hell or heaven, which you very well may be right.... but I do believe in reincarnation, having a soul, ect. There is something very deep in me, and an expression, something I know I am ment to do here that is on a grander scale. Though I just never saw it as GOD. There is always something deeper. Nothing could exist for no reason. That is just messed up if that was the case. Then maybe you believe in a god force or energy. Either way, from your last post, it doesn't sound like to me you don't completely not believe in God.
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