i was so close ! gah !

[tigerea]

so, this morning, i decided to have a nice long lie in (as usual ! xD) might aswell, since starting monday i wont be able to do that anymore !

anyways, i was dosing a little bit, and i realised i could see my room. i sat up, and felt my astral move, i tried moving towards my door (when i sleep i face the door) and there was like, a lot of strain. (it felt like sleep paralysis) i tried to move through it, but it was so hard (like swimming in concrete i would describe it as) after much trying i gave up and slipped back into my body.

i can remember doing this a few times actually.


i thought i was awake at one point aswell, i went over to my computer and began trying to log onto my email or something. then i remembered when i went to sleep, that my router was tunred off (thus no internet) so i realised i must be having an obe. with this realisation i began losing my sight (my vision slowly went black) and i remember calling out for help via clairaudiance. ''HELP ME, ANYBODY, PLEASE !'' and i think i also called out to be taken to heaven, alas, no answer, and i snapped back into my body.

sigh, anyone have some tips for me to overcome these problems ? i was so close, but lack of experience and knowledge of actually how to keep the state held me back. would really appericiate some support, thanks

[tigerea]

two headed babies and little back towns called hell take priority i see !

appericiate that lots of people are v. busy though.

[king arthur]

tigerea said:

so, this morning, i decided to have a nice long lie in (as usual ! xD) might aswell, since starting monday i wont be able to do that anymore !

anyways, i was dosing a little bit, and i realised i could see my room. i sat up, and felt my astral move, i tried moving towards my door (when i sleep i face the door) and there was like, a lot of strain. (it felt like sleep paralysis) i tried to move through it, but it was so hard (like swimming in concrete i would describe it as) after much trying i gave up and slipped back into my body.

i can remember doing this a few times actually.


i thought i was awake at one point aswell, i went over to my computer and began trying to log onto my email or something. then i remembered when i went to sleep, that my router was tunred off (thus no internet) so i realised i must be having an obe. with this realisation i began losing my sight (my vision slowly went black) and i remember calling out for help via clairaudiance. ''HELP ME, ANYBODY, PLEASE !'' and i think i also called out to be taken to heaven, alas, no answer, and i snapped back into my body.

sigh, anyone have some tips for me to overcome these problems ? i was so close, but lack of experience and knowledge of actually how to keep the state held me back. would really appericiate some support, thanks

You've already known how to AP, not sure what kind of support that you need.

When your human body is awake, you will have to snap back no matter what... you cannot change this. ;D

[Dagalvyi]

"t"'
Don't get worried! We do care!

Your problem was that the moment you realized you were out of your body you became scared.
You have to keeo in mind that;"There is nothing to fear but fear itself!"
It took me years to overcome the fear of the unknown. I prominse you that there is nothing that can hurt you when you leave your body.

Everything you think becomes reality. Your mind is the power that controls everything you see, hear or do. If you believe that you see black, you will. Even the smallest thought deep inside your soul will become your reality in the spiritual world.

If you ever become scared again simply think of or focus on Jesus and he will put in your body or someplace nice.

[tigerea]

i dont think i was scared, supconciously, perhaps. if anything i may have gotten over excited

[krashlanmar]

Heh, at this point I don't believe in any of this anymore. Kinda funny that you should say you're having "problems" like that when for me back when I was a member last year what you said would have been tremendous progress.

A certain javascriptman221 feels the same way I do. I'll tell him to come back maybe. I think he's more rigid about the non-belief than I am, though, in the sense that I can play around with this whole thing and I don't know if he's even willing to do that.

That's why I'm here, anyway. This is like a game for me. I go to this forum and all of a sudden I'm some kind of god. It's great!

But it's not real anymore, either.

P.S. I appreciate your use of "Gah!" as I feel that's the right way to express that very "Gah!" emotion.

[kentucker4]

krashlanmar said:

Heh, at this point I don't believe in any of this anymore. Kinda funny that you should say you're having "problems" like that when for me back when I was a member last year what you said would have been tremendous progress.

A certain javascriptman221 feels the same way I do. I'll tell him to come back maybe. I think he's more rigid about the non-belief than I am, though, in the sense that I can play around with this whole thing and I don't know if he's even willing to do that.

That's why I'm here, anyway. This is like a game for me. I go to this forum and all of a sudden I'm some kind of god. It's great!

But it's not real anymore, either.

P.S. I appreciate your use of "Gah!" as I feel that's the right way to express that very "Gah!" emotion.

Hmm, have you tried setting your alarm early and waking up then staying awake for 45 mins to an hour and then go to sleep without moving anything? That helps me become fully lucid big time. If I don't do that then all of my dreams are not lucid.

[krashlanmar]

I've been lucid in dreams a few times as a child; it's not all that interesting.

I don't particularly have the 45 minutes you speak of, but I don't think I'd try anyway. It's not worth the hour of sleep.

[kentucker4]

krashlanmar said:

I've been lucid in dreams a few times as a child; it's not all that interesting.

I don't particularly have the 45 minutes you speak of, but I don't think I'd try anyway. It's not worth the hour of sleep.

Not interesting???!!! It can be anything that you want it to be and more. As far as your imagination goes and then there's the other stuff you encounter.

Music is especially intensified in that state.

[king arthur]

kentucker4 said:

krashlanmar said:

I've been lucid in dreams a few times as a child; it's not all that interesting.

I don't particularly have the 45 minutes you speak of, but I don't think I'd try anyway. It's not worth the hour of sleep.

Not interesting???!!! It can be anything that you want it to be and more. As far as your imagination goes and then there's the other stuff you encounter.

Music is especially intensified in that state.

Kent! Don't tell him that, this might inspire him to be aggressive in astral projection... and we don't want to see this happens.

We want Krash to remain helpless in AP, so this will give him the chance to whine on this forum-- he is the only one cannot AP.

He is quite proud of it.

He does not know Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Bach, got their music ideas from astral, and he will never get it. ;D

[krashlanmar]

I think this is the reason I go to this forum. So I can read stuff like this.

Bah. There's no such thing. =]

Tell me one thing, if there is such a thing, why can't I do it. Why do people spend their whole lives looking for something and it never shows up in their respective lives.

This is why I do not believe. Like why I do not believe in christianity or god, for that matter.

[king arthur]

For the most human who do not believe in God, because they do not need anything, most desperate moments are... losing a love one, or desperately needs a miracle, then they pray to God, once the prayer has been answered, then they forgot about God again.

The survey shows, most disbelievers will accept religion when most desperate.

I do see your problem, your problem is... you are not calm enough. And you lack of a concept of acceptance.

I will give you an example: If someone (stranger) tells you... he will stand behind your back, asks you facing the front, and close your eyes and lean backward, and just trust him, he will hold your body and would not let you fall into the ground.

In your case, for sure, you would not trust him.

When someday, you have the trust like that, you will get astral projection easy.

It seems like 'blind' fate, but this is how you got to do it, give yourself to God. Trust him (trust me).

At your age, you are not quite subtle yet, you think too fast, too rapid (metal music worsen it, because its speed).

In astral you need to be calm. Like Kentucker4 and I, we are more mature and subtle, we are able to calm ourself into a total peace.

You have anger which is normal in your age, when I was your age, I hated this world and thinks it is ugly, I constantly thought I was mis-treated (I should have born as a prince, something like that).

As the time goes by, the world is still not as perfect as you think, but you learn to accept it.

What is best for you at this moment, you need to tame your mind.

Best way to do it-- meditation.

Everyday spend 30 minute to mediate, during meditation... think of nothing, think about nothing worries you, nothing brothers, and think ... if there is a nuclear bomb exploded and you are still in peace.

Then you are ready to learn astral projection.

(You think too fast, now is the problem.)

[krashlanmar]

kingarthur said:

I will give you an example: If someone (stranger) tells you... he will stand behind your back, asks you facing the front, and close your eyes and lean backward, and just trust him, he will hold your body and would not let you fall into the ground.

In your case, for sure, you would not trust him.

I would like to believe... that you're wrong.

I think I'm a rather trusting person. And in return, I do not keep any secrets either (I don't know how).

But now that you said this... (you know me )... I'd definitely fall back blindly.

But you're right that my mind is constantly reeling.

I smile. You think I'm immature. A long time ago, you said I was more mature than other people my age.

Well, you're definitely right. I'm not as mature as you thought last year. I'm going to tell you a story I think. give me a second to write it.

[king arthur]

krashlanmar said:

kingarthur said:

I will give you an example: If someone (stranger) tells you... he will stand behind your back, asks you facing the front, and close your eyes and lean backward, and just trust him, he will hold your body and would not let you fall into the ground.

In your case, for sure, you would not trust him.

I would like to believe... that you're wrong.

I think I'm a rather trusting person. And in return, I do not keep any secrets either (I don't know how).

But now that you said this... (you know me )... I'd definitely fall back blindly.

But you're right that my mind is constantly reeling.

I smile. You think I'm immature. A long time ago, you said I was more mature than other people my age.

Well, you're definitely right. I'm not as mature as you thought last year. I'm going to tell you a story I think. give me a second to write it.

I said... you are not as mature as Kentucker4 and I, I did not say... you are not mature.

I think you are mature compare to the same age among you, you got potential. ;D

Just you are not calm.

[king arthur]

I mean your mind is not calm, like what you wrote, constant reeling.